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Minor Variance Application submitted to C of A here.

The proponent would like to add a further 5 storeys to the building now going up.


From the above:

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Now, here's something for @ProjectEnd

Lanterra had an Elevator Traffic Analysis done in relation to the addition.

From said document:


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Without getting into the specifics of THIS application, I really do not think adding significant height to a recently approved development should be allowed. In most cases, height and density are the big 'asks' from developers and community and City approvals balance these with what is offered by having a new building, new homes and, maybe, community benefits. Having reached some sort of compromise it seems unreasonable that one side can return to ask for more - from an unelected and not very representative group. (The C of A).
 
So I'm actually of the opposite thinking of this I don't know much about the c of a but if a project sells out at a quick rate and there is the possibility through foundation loads to add more height and more units I think this should be done the foundation of any project is always the most expensive so the more units you split that up between in thinking the more affordable I would be
 
So I'm actually of the opposite thinking of this I don't know much about the c of a but if a project sells out at a quick rate and there is the possibility through foundation loads to add more height and more units I think this should be done the foundation of any project is always the most expensive so the more units you split that up between in thinking the more affordable I would be
Of course adding height/units is good for the developer but I doubt strongly that any developer who is allowed to add height/units then goes back to the purchasers of the already sold units and offers them a share of the profits. Adding height/units is very unlikely to make units in that development cheaper to buy though I suppose that some of the operating costs (like security) would be cheaper on a per/unit basis if one had more units.

Committees of Adjustment are described as: "The Committee of Adjustment (CofA) is an independent quasi-judicial body administrative tribunal that makes decisions under the Planning Act on applications for minor variance, consent, and permissions to extend or enlarge legal non-conforming uses. The Committee is comprised of 35 citizen members appointed by Council."
 
So I'm actually of the opposite thinking of this I don't know much about the c of a but if a project sells out at a quick rate and there is the possibility through foundation loads to add more height and more units I think this should be done the foundation of any project is always the most expensive so the more units you split that up between in thinking the more affordable I would be

Here's the thing:

1) A building approval should, in theory, occur for several reasons, one is that it represents sound planning.

2) In support of the above there are a host of studies that get considered looking at the impact of a building on area traffic, on water, on sewer, on local schools, and also, things like shadows, and wind come into play.

3) When you change the height of a building, you naturally change its shadow impact, but you also change a host of other things. You change the wind speed created by the building, you change the amount of storm water runoff, you change the number of students that may affect local schools, you change the loading needs of the building, the demand for parking and a slew of other things.

IF a developer has a foundation engineered to support, lets pick a number, 40 floors, but then accepts an approval at 30 floors, for some of the reasons noted above, after having worked with the area councillor and community stakeholders and then goes back on their word weeks or months after the deal to seek 40s after all, that feels like a betrayal, and a breach of trust. It also begs the question of whether all those impacts were weighted based on a 40s design, or a 30s one.

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The C of A was never meant to be used this way.

It was meant to address truly minor adjustments. In general, stuff like:

a) adjustments to single-family homes, getting an addition, and the as-built addition is slightly out of line with the approved zoning, by 1ft.
b) a change in parking requirements based on the type of retail uses in a storefront
c) or possibly a 1 storey addition to an existing bunaglow or something of that scale.

Historically, major developments rarely came through C of A at all.

If they did though, it was to deal with a few parking spots being under-sized, or a request to change the exact composition of the units (ie. more or fewer two-bedroom units) or things of that nature.

It was never meant to make 'substantive' adjustments to recently approved or under construction major buildings.

We may be able to reasonably discuss whether a change of one storey, on a 30 storey building is 'minor'.......... and fair game.......I would argue that it could be, but may not be, because you never know, without re-studying everything whether certain things push a community into a negative condition in one or more respects.

I think it would be incumbent on any developer to show that nature and impact of any change is minor.

Now that said, once we start getting to 4,5 and more storey add-ons.....I would argue the prima facie case is that the change is not minor.

That doesn't mean the deal/zoning can't be changed, only that the developer should have to resubmit their zoning and site plan through the normal processes, and Council and the Community should get a say.
 
1. I thought the condo market was still stagnant at best.
2. More people must have heard about free Christmas market passes for residents.
3. This was already breaking the municipal rules for the Historical Triangle whatever designation that wasn’t going to allow buildings over 20 storeys along the rail corridor to the ravine.
4. Is everyone now understanding that “density” was never about solving the housing crisis, but rather padding the pockets of condo developers? Or will there be arguments that these additional 5 storeys are what we need to solve our entire encampment issue?
5. Guess it would make the ratio of residents to parking spots look better.
6. If games like this are being played, I’m going to need to hear more about Queens Quay E streetcar and the Distillery Loop into the Portlands. That bus stop on Parliament seems to be getting busier and busier.
 
^^I get the concern that CofA is not appropriate for many changes but a full reapplication is not either. Maybe a more flexible approach is needed as the current system is entrenching a choice between doing nothing or proposing a 35 storey tower amongst 1s houses.
 
I am all for additional height through CofA, especially right now when housing starts have stalled and supply is coming to a standstill. The easiest way to add units is to add them to already under-construction projects. A few floors here and there will have minimal impact on servicing, traffic, wind, shadowing etc. Also, many projects under construction today were approved under a different policy regime. Provincial policy has changed significantly and newer approvals are coming in taller, so I don't think it's unfair that older approvals get an update.

All departments that would normally review an application at rezoning are circulated CofA files and comment on them as well. Any servicing issues would be caught during the process. It's a faster process, cheaper, and much more efficient use of staff time (On the city side and the applicant side) vs. going back through rezoning. The CofA by nature of existence is an opportunity for the public to get a say, so there's still public involvement.
 
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Nov. 16. 2024
 
^^thats why they want to go taller so the 8-10 top floors have a view. lol!
 

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