Adjei
Senior Member
Councillor McMahon moves to kill the examination of the Carlaw route for the downtown relief line. "Residents should not be dictating transit."
Neither should politicians
Councillor McMahon moves to kill the examination of the Carlaw route for the downtown relief line. "Residents should not be dictating transit."
Based off my impression from discussion with City Planners at a Relief Line public meeting, there are not enough staff members in City Planning to do this and study the Carlaw alignment simultaneously. They are greatly understaffed as it is. (Hence why things like the Waterfront Transit Reset is taking longer to divert staff resources too)You're right, assuming you dedicate extra staff, which it seems they don't want/can't do, extra cost. So the current staff would have to stop whatever they are doing to look at Carlaw, hence the delay.
Neither should politicians
Then who should be then? If you don't a personal stake in what is being built then why is your opinion any more relevant than those of local stakeholders - like those at serious risk of mass expropriation if Pape alignment south of Gerrard is chosen over Carlaw.
Keesmaat also said that studying a Carlaw alignment could delay the DRL by six months.
Did she follow it up with a question about how many homes would be affected by each route and what what cost difference would be (capital and annual). Maybe a cursor analysis would show it is not worth studying farther..Councillor McMahon moves to kill the examination of the Carlaw route for the downtown relief line. "Residents should not be dictating transit."
Then who should be then? If you don't a personal stake in what is being built then why is your opinion any more relevant than those of local stakeholders - like those at serious risk of mass expropriation if Pape alignment south of Gerrard is chosen over Carlaw.
Based off my impression from discussion with City Planners at a Relief Line public meeting, there are not enough staff members in City Planning to do this and study the Carlaw alignment simultaneously. They are greatly understaffed as it is. (Hence why things like the Waterfront Transit Reset is taking longer to divert staff resources too)
A stop at Pape and Queen or Carlaw and Queen won't make any real difference. We're talking two short blocks. Montreal built its Metro on a minor street away from St-Denis, a major commercial throughfare for ease of construction, which is why Pape, not Carlaw, was recommended.
But with Council luminaries like Pasternak, Di Ciano, and Karygiannis getting studies on their pet subway lines so that Tory could get their votes, I guess Fletcher saw an opening and said "me too!"
A stop at Pape and Queen or Carlaw and Queen won't make any real difference. We're talking two short blocks. Montreal built its Metro on a minor street away from St-Denis, a major commercial throughfare for ease of construction. It's fine. Ease of construction is why Pape, not Carlaw, was recommended.
It's 200 metres between Pape and Carlaw. Factoring in the street structure and that the station boxes are aligned north of Queen, a Carlaw alignment would provide ~380m distance reduction (200+180m station box) for some new workers and residents on Carlaw (accessing north end of Carlaw station box vs south end of Pape station box). That's about 5 minutes. It doesn't seem like much but it is.
5 minutes is well within the catchment area by any reasonable definition. Is it really about trying to shave 2 minutes off, or is it about something else.
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