Blue and 3 seems a no brainer, if the existing Line 3 does indeed close in 2023. Less so if they end up life-extending it again, but that's looking less and less likely. Interesting that this one is planned to be operated by the consortium that builds it, rather than TTC.

At the same time, there's been rumours about Ontario Line being delayed from 2027 to 2030 - but is this the first official document that confirms it?

It does make one question the governments stated goal of taking it over, because 2029 needed to be earlier.
 
nfitz said:
Blue and 3 seems a no brainer, if the existing Line 3 does indeed close in 2023. Less so if they end up life-extending it again, but that's looking less and less likely. Interesting that this one is planned to be operated by the consortium that builds it, rather than TTC.

At the same time, there's been rumours about Ontario Line being delayed from 2027 to 2030 - but is this the first official document that confirms it?

It does make one question the governments stated goal of taking it over, because 2029 needed to be earlier.
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Yep, the new OL opening date is 2030. Not surprising since the 2027 date was unrealistic from the start.



Today, the final early works report for Exhibition Station was released.
www.metrolinxengage.com

Exhibition Early Works Report

An environmental report looking at the Ontario Line future Exhibition Station site.
www.metrolinxengage.com
 
Can someone explain why there is so much focus and reporting on the Exhibition Station compared to other stations. Just a tad bit intrigued might just be an obvious answer.
 
IF, and its a big IF, they could make an agreement for fare integration between the TTC and GO, the Exhibition Station could become a transit hub. In addition, there are the condo developments north of the station that would make use of it. Lastly, there is something called the Canadian National Exhibition, Ontario Place, BMO Field, and the trade show buildings located in Exhibition Place that would be a draw.
 
afransen said:
Something has to happen with fare integration, or the whole idea of cross-platform transfer at East Harbour is nonsense.
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It will, im confident. It might just take time, but theres no way you build a regional rail system and not integrate it in some way so that people don't have to pay two fares.

That being said, I hope once GO RER and integrated fares are available, the TTC puts GO RER on the map, albeit in a 'shadow' type of way that shows the stops etc. I know a lot of people who use the TTC who don't even know that there are GO stations in Toronto, other than Union.

Montreal STM does a good job of this already, showing the EXO lines, although oddly they dont show any station stops that aren't transfers to the STM.

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TheTigerMaster said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1357725320925831170

https://twitter.com/x/status/1357726094980431874

https://twitter.com/x/status/1357727008508305409
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"Under proposed agreement TTC would be responsible for staffing the Ontario Linen operation control centre, setting the service plan, and some station operations. Private company would be responsible for operating driverless trains, train yard ops, and opening/closing stations."

This hodgepodge of governance and control seems like a complete mess to me. TTC would be running the Operation Control Centre, but a private company would be responsible for actually operating the trains? That right there sound like a disaster.

TTC would be in charge of station operations, yet some private company is responsible for opening and closing the stations. For what reason? Why would the TTC not be in charge of opening/closing the stations?

The TTC is in charge of setting service standards, but the operator is only accountable to Metrolinx, and not the TTC?

The whole Presto fiasco between Accenture, Metrolinx and the TTC has really shot my confidence in the ability of these organizations to work together. The stakes are way higher for the Ontario Line.

Metrolinx seems to just want the OL privately operated, but the fact that the OL needs to integrate into a TTC-operated network (Line 1 + Line 2) is making that very difficult if not impossible to achieve with a reasonable service quality.
 
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duffo said:
This is no different than Crosslinx performing certain duties for the Eglinton line which integrates with the subway system. They aren't operating it, but they are maintaining it and performing a bunch of miscellaneous duties beyond that as well.
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IIRC, with the Crosstown, the TTC is operating the Operations Control Centre as well as the vehicles. That's a perfectly sensible organization, imo. With the OL, the arrangement appears a lot more muddled, with the TTC in charge of the Control Centre and some private operator in charge of operating the actual vehicles.

duffo said:
All kinds of weird minute decisions are made for specific reasons but doesn't mean that we as random forum posters know better than the people actually planning the system (although sometimes..)
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Admittedly we're just random forum posters, but I've learned not to trust that Metrolinx is doing things because they genuinely believe it'll produce the best results. Very often it's political operatives pulling the strings behind closed doors at MX.
 
TheTigerMaster said:
"Under proposed agreement TTC would be responsible for staffing the Ontario Linen operation control centre, setting the service plan, and some station operations. Private company would be responsible for operating driverless trains, train yard ops, and opening/closing stations."
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Is this so that when TTC subway drivers go on strike, that the Ontario Line Operations Centre (that controls the automated trains) also goes on strike (and does not provide an alternate service)?
 
officedweller said:
Is this so that when TTC subway drivers go on strike, that the Ontario Line Operations Centre (that controls the automated trains) also goes on strike (and does not provide an alternate service)?
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TTC subway drivers are an essential service, by request of former mayor Rob Ford. They don't go on strike, they have binding arbitration with the city.
 
Thanks.
So this could be to ensure that the Ontario Line Operations Centre staff are included in that "essential service" categorization (since a private third party contactor could be excluded if not governmentally/publicly owned?)
 
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