smallspy
Senior Member
Huh? I think you're confusing the Canada Line (>2b) for the Evergreen Line that ssiguy2 was talking about (11km, 1.4b).
*ahem*
It would appear to be so. My apologies.
Dan
Toronto, Ont.
Huh? I think you're confusing the Canada Line (>2b) for the Evergreen Line that ssiguy2 was talking about (11km, 1.4b).
I'd have imagined the entire segment through the core would have to be quite deeply bored to get around the YUS, PATH and various utilities.
Then again, with the ECLRT, aren't they cut-covering any portion which passes under the YUS subway to avoid risking any damage to the existing tunnels? If they similarly had to cut-cover under the YUS in the core, it may also be easier to simply cut-cover between University and Yonge. Surely it's not practical to set up, launch, bore and extract for a 500m stretch.
Anyways, even if the core DRL section isn't appropriate for cut-covering, other sections surely could be. Pape between the Don Valley and Danforth as well as further south along Carlaw to wherever the DRL swings back west, for instance. Those roads aren't especially important to overall traffic flow, so congestion impacts would be minimal. And if you stacked the tunnels, you could probably keep 1-2 lanes open.
I don't quite understand why Metrolinx wants to build DRL south rather than the Don Mills to Downtown route. The latter is obviously much urgently needed. If not then Eglinton-Yonge Station will become as bad as Bloor-Yonge today, nobody south of Lawrence will be able to get catch a train easily and Bloor-Yonge will probably be even worse than it is today.
re: Stacking - unless one is absolutely desperate for space, I can't imagine it being a cheaper option given the need to dig deeper and have a stronger structure that would support a bi-level track arrangement.
I don't quite understand why Metrolinx wants to build DRL south rather than the Don Mills to Downtown route. The latter is obviously much urgently needed. If not then Eglinton-Yonge Station will become as bad as Bloor-Yonge today, nobody south of Lawrence will be able to get catch a train easily and Bloor-Yonge will probably be even worse than it is today. Seems to me that their main concern is hooking it up to the Georgetown rail corridor.
Of course all of the official planned routes for the line is totally inadequate. Planning needed to start on at least the entire Finch to Dundas West route two years ago if we want any hope of having a somewhat usable subway when Yonge North, Sheppard and Eglinton open in 2030.
Surely the crowding at Eglinton is worse now than at St. George. Surely crowding at Eglinton will get worse quicker than at St. George when the Eglinton line opens (unless they add a second platform ... and I haven't seen one in the plans).You don't think St George will become overcrowded before Yonge-Eglinton? Really?
A Spanish solution would also be good for Eglinton station.Surely the crowding at Eglinton is worse now than at St. George. Surely crowding at Eglinton will get worse quicker than at St. George when the Eglinton line opens (unless they add a second platform ... and I haven't seen one in the plans).
Translation - 3 platforms, similar to the Sheppard line at Sheppard-Yonge station, with the centre platform being for people getting off.A Spanish solution would also be good for Eglinton station.
Surely the crowding at Eglinton is worse now than at St. George. Surely crowding at Eglinton will get worse quicker than at St. George when the Eglinton line opens (unless they add a second platform ... and I haven't seen one in the plans).
You don't think St George will become overcrowded before Yonge-Eglinton? Really?
Eglinton (80,000 boardings), St. George (150,000). St George is currently a much busier station. When the Eglinton line and the University subway extension open St. George will become a serious concern. Remember, Eglinton West is also going to see a steep rise in ridership. When you factor this in with the fact that the west DRL would increase capacity on several crowded streetcar routes, there's no comparison.
The DRL south of Bloor is of far more importance than any extension north of it.
A Spanish solution would also be good for Eglinton station.
Seems to me our only hope of DRL in the 2020s lies with Toronto winning the summer games in 2017 for 2024 if we bid.
Good news is that we stand a chance since North America will be the continent who will be the most overdue. What we learned from Tokyo's victory, the IOC wants a safe bid over uncertainty.
The quick ousting of Chicago for 2016 says that the IOC tries to keep a certain distance from the US after the scandal of Salt Lake City 2002. Canada with Toronto has the strongest chance to win them over Mexico.
We all know that it usually take an Olympic game for the Feds to sign big checks for transit lines. Montreal 1976 and Vancouver 2010 saw the feds and provinces either expanding and completing subway lines (Montreal green and orange line) and building a brand new one (Vancouver's Canada Line)
My hope for a DRL in the short term lies there
A "full" DRL that does everything everybody wants it to would be approximately 27km long and have at least 19 stations. If the TTC is smart they'll build it with 200m platforms in mind. This is enough for 8 or 9 cars, which provides a lot of extra breathing room because this line is going to be packed on day one.
Translation - 3 platforms, similar to the Sheppard line at Sheppard-Yonge station, with the centre platform being for people getting off.
Oh, it would be good ... though even adding a second platform would help. I really don't see how Eglinton is going to function with a single platform, once the Eglinton line opens.
Yeah, that's what I thought. Eglinton appears busier. That's 80,000 per platform at Eglinton compared to only 75,000 per platform at St. George.Eglinton (80,000 boardings), St. George (150,000).
In shear numbers yes. In terms of how crowded the platform is waiting for a southbound train? It's second only to Bloor-Yonge in my observations southbound. (northbound in PM peak though, Dundas seems the worst, with some others close behind).St George is currently a much busier station.