Kitsune said:
Field testing will be / is underway now at Several Locations: http://www.ttc.ca/Service_Advisories/Construction/ReliefLine_testing.jsp

Construction Areas:
  • Queen Street and Sherbourne Street
  • Bayview Avenue and Lauren Harris Square
  • Sunlight Park Road
  • Frizzell Avenue west of Pape Avenue - starting as early as August 16 until late September
  • Bain Avenue west of Pape Avenue - starting as early as August 20 until late September
  • Lewis Street north of Eastern Avenue - starting as early as August 23
  • Pape Avenue north of Danforth Avenue near Pape Station - two locations starting as early as September 10 until November
  • Dingwall Avenue east of Pape Avenue - starting as early as September 12 until mid October

And note... even if you are legally parked in these areas they will tow your vehicle.
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TESTING!!? No one told me there was going to be a test! I didn't even study for any testing!

lol!! Sorry, couldn't resist.
 
Kitsune said:
Field testing will be / is underway now at Several Locations: http://www.ttc.ca/Service_Advisories/Construction/ReliefLine_testing.jsp

Construction Areas:
  • Queen Street and Sherbourne Street
  • Bayview Avenue and Lauren Harris Square
  • Sunlight Park Road
  • Frizzell Avenue west of Pape Avenue - starting as early as August 16 until late September
  • Bain Avenue west of Pape Avenue - starting as early as August 20 until late September
  • Lewis Street north of Eastern Avenue - starting as early as August 23
  • Pape Avenue north of Danforth Avenue near Pape Station - two locations starting as early as September 10 until November
  • Dingwall Avenue east of Pape Avenue - starting as early as September 12 until mid October

And note... even if you are legally parked in these areas they will tow your vehicle.
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As much as this isn't shovels in the ground like John Tory has proclaimed, it is still the furthest the Relief Line has ever gotten in history. 18395th time's a charm?
 
micheal_can said:
RER, as in using GO service in tunnels?
RER as in bilevel coaches?
RER, as in connected to the freight lines?

Relief line should be a subway. Not LRT and not RER.
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Honestly, what is the difference between RER and subway? (Like the surface parts of TTC subway)

When high frequency 5-minute RER routes eventually transition to single-deck trains with level platform boarding?

There are already provisions in RER for that potential path for select GO routes, at least as future phases.

RER incremental progress is cost effective.
 
mdrejhon said:
Honestly, what is the difference between RER and subway? (Like the surface parts of TTC subway)

When high frequency 5-minute RER routes eventually transition to single-deck trains with level platform boarding?

There are already provisions in RER for that potential path for select GO routes, at least as future phases.

RER incremental progress is cost effective.
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Since the decision on vehicle type is now down to Private Initiative, it will almost inevitably not be 'subway' as Toronto understands the term. It will be a regional vehicle type, and that might be a metro type.
 
mdrejhon said:
Honestly, what is the difference between RER and subway? (Like the surface parts of TTC subway)

When high frequency 5-minute RER routes eventually transition to single-deck trains with level platform boarding?

There are already provisions in RER for that potential path for select GO routes, at least as future phases.

RER incremental progress is cost effective.
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Generally, a subway is considered an underground railway. However, both can be classified as Heavy Rail Transit, and since RER is grade separated, there really is no difference between the two with the exception of far better frequencies on the subway lines.
 
Streety McCarface said:
Generally, a subway is considered an underground railway. However, both can be classified as Heavy Rail Transit, and since RER is grade separated, there really is no difference between the two with the exception of far better frequencies on the subway lines.
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Huh? You do realize that some Paris RER lines run more frequently than Toronto subways? Or that Crossrail is going to be running 2.5 min headways to start through the core, with less than 2 mins in the design capability of the system?

Or Thameslink back almost a decade ago:
By the time the first phase, or Key Output 1, is completed at the end of 2011, both Blackfriars and Farringdon will have been rebuilt to accommodate 12-car trains running at 16 trains/h.
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https://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/thameslink-programme-starts-to-take-off.html

Now updated:
Capacity raised to 24 trains per hour in the core area bottleneck
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https://www.siemens.com/press/pool/...ty/2015-06-uitp/presentation-thameslink-e.pdf
 
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steveintoronto said:
Since the decision on vehicle type is now down to Private Initiative, it will almost inevitably not be 'subway' as Toronto understands the term. It will be a regional vehicle type, and that might be a metro type.
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Are we talking about the RER lines on go transit or are we talking about the DRL? If we're talking about the DRL then it's most likely going to be part of the TTC network and a subway line with a third rail and not one of the RER lines that some people think it's going to be. The DRL is being designed by the TTC and not by anyone else interfering in it at this moment. The current plans have been posted multiple times on this board as well as been talked about at TTC board meetings where they have stated that it will be part of the subway network anything that is not backed up by any facts are just pure speculation by form members.
 
EastYorkTTCFan said:
The DRL is being designed by the TTC and not by anyone else interfering in it at this moment.
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Really?

I could have sworn Metrolinx are handling the northern leg by themselves, and the southern along with the City, but whatever.
Relief Line Subway Plan
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What We’re Doing
The Government of Ontario has announced that in coordination with Metrolinx, it is supporting planning and design work for the proposed Relief Line.

Metrolinx will work with the City of Toronto and the Toronto Transit Commission (TTC) on advancing the planning and design work that will move the proposed line toward being shovel ready.
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http://www.metrolinx.com/en/news/announcements/201608_Relief_Line.aspx

I suggest you read Steve Munro's latest on the mater, albeit it's in general and the complete uploading of the subway:
SEPTEMBER 20, 2018 BY STEVE
Many Questions About A Subway Takeover

As to what vehicles and mode? I've got news for you that you seem to have missed. The City has no money for this, neither does the Province, albeit they're only half as broke as the City. To make reading easier for you, enter "Relief Line" into a page search at that link. It appears and is discussed four times.

Does "Line by Line Audit" ring any bells perhaps? It should, because today's announcement on GO service drips with it, mostly how (gist) "Electrification and other promises are contingent on the line-by-line audit, coming soon". I leave it to you to read those fermented tea leaves.

It will be Private Initiative who decide on the vehicle types, funding and many other facets of operation. Perhaps you missed the election outcome a few months back? Basically, the sign says:
"Under New Management". I don't like it, but that's reality...
 
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EastYorkTTCFan said:
Are we talking about the RER lines on go transit or are we talking about the DRL?
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Both. We don't expect the existing Union Rail Corridor to function as DRL. We expect DRL to have its own tunnel through downtown, up to Pape in the east, and likely up to Eglinton.

The question is the kind of trains that will run in that DRL tunnel. Those could be either TTC standard trains or mainline-compatible RER trains.

If we choose TTC standard trains, then the DRL tunnel will be cheaper to build, but any extensions north / north-east / west will be very expensive. If we choose mainline-compatible trains, then the original DRL tunnel will cost more, but further extensions will be a lot cheaper and it will be relatively easy to run multiple branches.

EastYorkTTCFan said:
If we're talking about the DRL then it's most likely going to be part of the TTC network and a subway line with a third rail and not one of the RER lines that some people think it's going to be. The DRL is being designed by the TTC and not by anyone else interfering in it at this moment. The current plans have been posted multiple times on this board as well as been talked about at TTC board meetings where they have stated that it will be part of the subway network anything that is not backed up by any facts are just pure speculation by form members.
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We don't know for sure at this time. It is possible that TTC will have its way, and will build another standard TTC line. However such decision won't be based on technical constraints (can't be done any other way), but rather on the risk aversion (we do it this way because we always do it this way).
 
... the preliminary tunnel designs where TTC Subway, and the report coming at the end of February for tunnel design will be subway... not RER. Any RER tunnel will be wishful thinking for a couple decades atleast. This will be further cemented as the preferred alignment for Relief Line north comes at the end of this year or beginning of next.
 
Streety McCarface said:
with the exception of far better frequencies on the subway lines.
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Excuse me, but the frequencies would be the same in the ultimate RER engoal (ala 2041-2051, not the basic "15-min" RER 2025)

Intrisinically, 15-min RER is just a stepping stone to subway frequencies on the GO network this century.

steveintoronto said:
Huh? You do realize that some Paris RER lines run more frequently than Toronto subways? Or that Crossrail is going to be running 2.5 min headways to start through the core, with less than 2 mins in the design capability of the system?
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Correct. With proper Moving Block Signalling, and full grade separations complete, some GO routes are physically capable of approx 3-minute headways (Albiet, it'll take a few decades of upgrades, at this pace). Even without moving block signals, Paris RER already achieved subway headways that even with their BiLevels.

The RER business plan includes funding for upgraded signalling system in the $13.5bn RER, unless they are backtracking. However, there are provisions to transition further, Metrolinx has also funded the development of moving-block signalling that enables subway headways on the GO network though this likely may not be used immediately in the first GO electrification.

It's amazing how (relatively) inefficient that North American signalling systems are, compared to many ultraefficiently signalled Euro/Japanese two-track corridors.

So frequency-wise, what is the difference between GO and subway later this century?
 
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