44 North said:
Oh yeah a dinky trolley pole was no match for that weather. Still it's a vulnerability with aerial power. And there are advancements in third rail design and de-icing measures.

I'm still in third rail camp.



Wouldn't be surprised if they "cancel" the Eglinton tunnel by Doug's house. I put cancel in quotes because the project would still continue. Just not deep underground.

And it's a long tradition. NDP fast-tracked a subway under their leader's Eg West riding, next gov't cancels it. Current gov't fast-tracks a subway under their leader's riding, next gov't cancels it. It's just the way it goes.
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Considering that the eglinton west tunneling contract would already be awarded and the launch shafts would definitely be dug already, i dont think thats one of the projects thats in danger of being cancelled
 
DO NOT get the lowest bidder...

Mexico City metro overpass collapses onto road; 23 dead​

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An elevated section of the Mexico City metro collapsed and sent the train plunging toward a busy boulevard late Monday, killing at least 23 people and injuring at least 79, city officials said.

Rescuers found four bodies trapped inside a rail car that was dangling from the overpass but were unable to remove them. It was not clear if those dead were included among the 23. A crane was brought in Tuesday to lower the car down.

Mayor Claudia Sheinbaum said one of the concrete beams collapsed as a subway train passed over it in one of the deadliest episodes in the history of the city's subway system, which is among the busiest in the world.

Mexican Foreign Relations Secretary Marcelo Ebrard called the collapse "the most terrible accident we have ever had in mass transportation." Ebrard was Mexico City's mayor from 2006 to 2012, when the line in question was built, and the collapse could represent a major blow for him.

"The cause of the collapse of the beam must be established through an expert investigation," Sheinbaum said.

Earlier she said someone had been pulled alive from a car that was trapped on the road below. She said 77 of the injured were hospitalized. She also said children were among the dead.

The overpass was about 16 feet above the road in the borough of Tlahuac, but the train ran above a concrete median strip, which apparently lessened the casualties among motorists on the road below.

The Mexico City Metro - which is among the world's cheapest with tickets costing about 25 cents -has had at least two serious accidents since its inauguration half a century ago. In March of last year, a collision between two trains at the Tacubaya station left one passenger dead and injured 41 people. In 2015, a train that did not stop on time crashed into another at the Oceania station, injuring 12.

Hundreds of police officers and firefighters cordoned off the scene overnight as desperate friends and relatives of people believed to be on the train gathered outside the security perimeter. Despite the fact that the coronavirus situation remains serious in Mexico City, they crowded together as they waited for news.

Adrián Loa Martínez, 46, said that his mother called him to tell him that his half-brother and sister-in-law were driving when the overpass collapsed and that a beam fell onto their car.

He said that his sister-in-law was sent to a hospital, but that his half-brother José Juan Galindo was crushed and he feared he was dead. "He is down there now," he told journalists pointing toward the site.

Gisela Rioja Castro, 43, was looking for her husband, 42-year-old Miguel Ángel Espinoza. She said that her husband always takes that train after finishing work at a store, but he never got home and had stopped answering his phone. When she heard what happened, she immediately feared the worst but has gotten no information from the authorities.

"Nobody knows anything," she said.

The collapse occurred on the newest of the Mexico City subway's lines, Line 12, which stretches far into the city's south side. Like many of the city's dozen subway lines, it runs underground through more central areas of the city of 9 million, but then runs on elevated concrete structures on the city's outskirts.

Allegations about poor design and construction on the subway line emerged soon after the Ebrard left office as mayor. Ebrard leads Mexico's efforts to obtain coronavirus vaccines and has been considered a potential presidential candidate in 2024 elections. The line had to be partly closed in 2013 so tracks could be repaired.

Ebrard wrote on Twitter: "What happened today on the Metro is a terrible tragedy."

"Of course, the causes should be investigated and those responsible should be identified," he wrote. "I repeat that I am entirely at the disposition of authorities to contribute in whatever way is necessary."

On Tuesday, Ebrard appeared at President Andrés Manuel López Obrador's daily news conference, saying, "I share the indignation that exists."

It was not clear whether a 7.1-magnitude earthquake in 2017 could have affected the subway line. There were reports that cracks had appeared in the base of at least one of the columns that support the elevated track following that quake.

The line was closed Tuesday, and hundreds of buses were called in.
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44 North said:
Oh yeah a dinky trolley pole was no match for that weather. Still it's a vulnerability with aerial power. And there are advancements in third rail design and de-icing measures.

I'm still in third rail camp.



Wouldn't be surprised if they "cancel" the Eglinton tunnel by Doug's house. I put cancel in quotes because the project would still continue. Just not deep underground.

And it's a long tradition. NDP fast-tracked a subway under their leader's Eg West riding, next gov't cancels it. Current gov't fast-tracks a subway under their leader's riding, next gov't cancels it. It's just the way it goes.
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This is why Metrolinx is such a disappointment.

These kind of shifts with every party were supposed to be a thing of the past.

Yet here we are.
 
W. K. Lis said:
DO NOT get the lowest bidder...

Mexico City metro overpass collapses onto road; 23 dead​

From link.

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This is not necessarily about the lowest bidder. Lowest bidder is fine as long as the tender is specific on requirements and there are proper inspections, regulations and safety protocols put in place. The lowest bid will be much more expensive then of course. One of the reasons transit is so much more expensive in Canada.

Unfortunately in developing nations, this is not the case. Lots of potential for corruption and back door deals.
 
robmausser said:
This is not necessarily about the lowest bidder. Lowest bidder is fine as long as the tender is specific on requirements and there are proper inspections, regulations and safety protocols put in place. The lowest bid will be much more expensive then of course. One of the reasons transit is so much more expensive in Canada.

Unfortunately in developing nations, this is not the case. Lots of potential for corruption and back door deals.
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I 100% agree I could not have said it better myself.
 
generalcanada said:
For those wondering about 2022 and the election.

Del Duca specifically stated tonight that "any project advanced far enough will not be cancelled"

This thing is going to happen, The only question remains is whether the Go train section will stay as it is, buried alongside pape to eastern, or just straight tunneled underneath the tracks.

Neither of theese will cause the relief line version of stopping at pape or osgoode to come back into view.

This was on an internal online party meeting
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Any link to this or reported anywhere?
 
toronto647 said:
Any link to this or reported anywhere?
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i cant source this because i dont think theres a public recording anywhere, but i did join the internal ontario liberal party online meeting and Steven Del Duca (the party leader) specifically stated
"no projects advanced enough will be cancalled"

Now take that as you will, but to me that sounds like any projects that that some kind of shovels/early works projects currently ongoing wont be in danger of cancellation or changing

theres a few others that might get their plans changed like the YNSE but Ontario Line isnt one of them
 
AlvinofDiaspar said:
They have looked at other options which they could have chosen.

AoD
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I think they just mean that this option was chosen for a reason and that the others didn't work. Personally, I think sites 3 and 7 could work if for the Leaside site they didn't have to build over too much of the commercial area to the west, or if they were able to avoid demolition of the Japanese cultural centre and maybe if they stayed away from Wyndford as much as possible. Other than that I do think the currently planned site is probably the best option though I completely understand the opposition from locals.
 

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KhalilHeron said:
I think they just mean that this option was chosen for a reason and that the others didn't work. Personally, I think sites 3 and 7 could work if for the Leaside site they didn't have to build over too much of the commercial area to the west, or if they were able to avoid demolition of the Japanese cultural centre and maybe if they stayed away from Wyndford as much as possible. Other than that I do think the currently planned site is probably the best option though I completely understand the opposition from locals.
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Actually if you have read the slidedeck, at least some of the other choices would have worked (taken at their face-value). The reason they chose this site is ultimately that they didn't think demolishing a good chunk of the community core a more serious negative than the other negatives.

AoD
 
AlvinofDiaspar said:
Actually if you have read the slidedeck, at least some of the other choices would have worked (taken at their face-value). The reason they chose this site is ultimately that they didn't think demolishing a good chunk of the community core a more serious negative than the other negatives.

AoD
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To me, it's a no-brainer that the Leaside side of the tracks option is the best.
 
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