This is phenomenal growth which I am sure GTAA wasn't expecting. Only Asian airports are experiencing this kind of growth. Pier G development can be started before YYZ hits the 50M mark.
 
The CN rail corridor through Brampton isn't wide enough to accommodate a high speed rail corridor and the city surely won't accept an elevated guideway through downtown Brampton. The high speed rail corridor will have to parallel the 407, similar to the proposed freight rail link, before heading towards Guelph and KW.
 
ninetykman said:
This is phenomenal growth which I am sure GTAA wasn't expecting. Only Asian airports are experiencing this kind of growth. Pier G development can be started before YYZ hits the 50M mark.
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Point taken but there are a number of non-Asian airports growing as fast, or faster than Pearson. Of airports over 40 million passengers Los Angeles grew by 8.0%, Amsterdam 9.2%, Denver 8.1%, Madrid 7.7%, Seattle 8.0%, Barcelona 11.2%, London Gatwick 7.1%, Orlando 8.0%, Mexico City 8.5%, and Newark 7.6%. Some of these airports are much busier than Pearson so their absolute increase was much bigger.

Growth is strong and GTAA would be wise to re-assess their time line for expansion. We could be at 70 million in no time and with an airport in panic mode trying to handle it. It's not like Billy Bishop or Munro are equipped to pick up the slack.
 
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urbanfan89 said:
The CN rail corridor through Brampton isn't wide enough to accommodate a high speed rail corridor and the city surely won't accept an elevated guideway through downtown Brampton. The high speed rail corridor will have to parallel the 407, similar to the proposed freight rail link, before heading towards Guelph and KW.
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Why? If they build the missing link then all the freight traffic can move there, so there wouldn't not be a need to build more tracks along the future HSR route.

http://www.mississauga.ca/portal/residents/missinglink
 
jys said:
Why? If they build the missing link then all the freight traffic can move there, so there wouldn't not be a need to build more tracks along the future HSR route.

http://www.mississauga.ca/portal/residents/missinglink
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the missing link is so important and benificial to so many people i dont know why it doesn't get the attention it deserves it would open up the corridor for hsr, and it would open up the milton and midtown corridor for passenger service why isn't this a bigger priority
 
adrianaliu said:
the missing link is so important and benificial to so many people i dont know why it doesn't get the attention it deserves it would open up the corridor for hsr, and it would open up the milton and midtown corridor for passenger service why isn't this a bigger priority
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I agree, the missing link should be number the one priority of Metrolinx and the city of Mississauga.
 
jys said:
Why? If they build the missing link then all the freight traffic can move there, so there wouldn't not be a need to build more tracks along the future HSR route.

http://www.mississauga.ca/portal/residents/missinglink
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I would think you would still need at least one more track through DT Brampton if you were gonna run ReR at 15 minute intervals.....regular long haul GO at, what, 30 or 60 minute intervals and HSR at, what 60 minute intervals.
 
TOareaFan said:
I would think you would still need at least one more track through DT Brampton if you were gonna run ReR at 15 minute intervals.....regular long haul GO at, what, 30 or 60 minute intervals and HSR at, what 60 minute intervals.
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But wouldn't 3 tracks be enough for GO RER and HSR? They don't have to share it with anyone else if we build the missing link.
 
jys said:
But wouldn't 3 tracks be enough for GO RER and HSR? They don't have to share it with anyone else if we build the missing link.
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The high speed trains will be barrelling through downtown Brampton at 200-250 KM/H. Simply not possible for those trains to share tracks with GO RER with all day 15 minute intervals. These trains also cannot coexist with level crossings, and on Google Maps it doesn't appear there's room for another track. So either the line through downtown Brampton must be totally ripped up and rebuilt, possibly requiring expropriations, or the brand-new high speed line can follow the 407 and the freight link until the 407/401 junction before heading towards Guelph.
 
urbanfan89 said:
The high speed trains will be barrelling through downtown Brampton at 200-250 KM/H. Simply not possible for those trains to share tracks with GO RER with all day 15 minute intervals. These trains also cannot coexist with level crossings, and on Google Maps it doesn't appear there's room for another track. So either the line through downtown Brampton must be totally ripped up and rebuilt, possibly requiring expropriations, or the brand-new high speed line can follow the 407 and the freight link until the 407/401 junction before heading towards Guelph.
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High speed trains routinely slow down to conventional speeds in urban areas and share tracks with slower trains. The high speed trains from London will probably go the same speed through Brampton as every other train in the corridor.
 
MisterF said:
High speed trains routinely slow down to conventional speeds in urban areas and share tracks with slower trains. The high speed trains from London will probably go the same speed through Brampton as every other train in the corridor.
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But even in other cities where this occurs (Paris, Frankfurt, etc), the frequency of local RER service requires that the high speed trains run on separate tracks. The ROW through downtown Brampton simply isn't wide enough to accommodate a third or fourth track, at least without an expensive and disruptive rebuilding of the entire line.

Also, around Paris, the high speed line merges into the conventional railway about 10 to 20 km from the terminal station. Mt. Pleasant GO is 40 km from Union Station, so routing the high speed trains through Brampton will greatly reduce the time savings.

So the high speed line will have to start somewhere in Etobicoke, branch off to YYZ, then follow Airport Road, and then parallel the 407 until the 407/401 junction before heading towards Guelph. Having the freight link, high speed line, and a BRT transitway parallel the 407 may require burying the hydro lines, but it's far cheaper than the alternative.
 
urbanfan89 said:
The high speed trains will be barrelling through downtown Brampton at 200-250 KM/H. Simply not possible for those trains to share tracks with GO RER with all day 15 minute intervals. These trains also cannot coexist with level crossings, and on Google Maps it doesn't appear there's room for another track. So either the line through downtown Brampton must be totally ripped up and rebuilt, possibly requiring expropriations, or the brand-new high speed line can follow the 407 and the freight link until the 407/401 junction before heading towards Guelph.
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You're right, but the problem isn't in Brampton, the problem is further down the line where there is only a single track and no room to build more. They are going to have to bypass a few towns west of Brampton. As for the section in Brampton, it's 3 tracks(I am pretty sure they could work something out for this such as making the middle track the passing track for express trains to get past slower trains) except for a small section on both sides of Brampton GO. That small 2 track section shouldn't cause any delays to the HSR trains because they would have to slow down and stop at Brampton GO anyways.
urbanfan89 said:
But even in other cities where this occurs (Paris, Frankfurt, etc), the frequency of local RER service requires that the high speed trains run on separate tracks. The ROW through downtown Brampton simply isn't wide enough to accommodate a third or fourth track, at least without an expensive and disruptive rebuilding of the entire line.

Also, around Paris, the high speed line merges into the conventional railway about 10 to 20 km from the terminal station. Mt. Pleasant GO is 40 km from Union Station, so routing the high speed trains through Brampton will greatly reduce the time savings.

So the high speed line will have to start somewhere in Etobicoke, branch off to YYZ, then follow Airport Road, and then parallel the 407 until the 407/401 junction before heading towards Guelph. Having the freight link, high speed line, and a BRT transitway parallel the 407 may require burying the hydro lines, but it's far cheaper than the alternative.
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jys said:
As for the section in Brampton, it's 3 tracks(I am pretty sure they could work something out for this such as making the middle track the passing track for express trains to get past slower trains) except for a small section on both sides of Brampton GO.
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There is no third track at Brampton GO/Via station.


jys said:
That small 2 track section shouldn't cause any delays to the HSR trains because they would have to slow down and stop at Brampton GO anyways.
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The current "plan" for the HSR does not contemplate stopping in Brampton
 
Noticed a slight tweak to the image release by the GTAA on their mega hub vision:

Note the pedestrian walkway from the hub station now splits with individual forks heading to T1 and T3. The original image had the pedestrian walkway going to T3 with a second walkway to T1

https://torontopearson.com/uploaded...endering01FFinalCompositionFramed_Mar2017.jpg

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