karledice said:
Looks more bland and boring than the previous ones with the swerves and curves.
Now it looks lazy and sleepy
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The towers are really downgraded, minus the tallest one.

I am equally let down by the park.

The original proposal has a cool whole new rail park:
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Now they just attach a path to the existing High Rail Park:
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At this point, you might as well change your name to Union Path, since you just kinda dropped your namesake. The very cool glass connect between two of the buildings are removed too.

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Would have been cool to imagine walking to watch baseball through that glass podium / connection and the park....

Yes I am very let down :(
 
Next Up… replacing that worn relic of a ballpark, formerly known as the SkyDome.
It’s time Toronto. Shabby neglected exterior. Join the rest of American ballparks in building new. Renos or not.
Last stadium standing.
 
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artemperederii said:
I am so sad. That could become another landmark view of Toronto, and now it looks like another bunch of some towers in the skyline
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These half-priced Toronto developers/architects duos are just woeful & cheerless. With not an ounce of architectural swagger pride. Probably most prime spot downtown and they downgrade & slash it to bland & joyless in every way. Buildings. Park space. Public space. That one building with some flair better be spectacular.
 
ProjectEnd said:
The Well, KPC, McKinsey, 7 St. Thomas, 19 Duncan's podium...
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...oops, forgot about those. I thought I was missing something(s)! >.<

Though compared to their residential and institutional projects in the amendment to my original post, seems to be of a lesser portfolio. That is, office towers is not the first thing I think of when I hear HPA's name. This is not to say they can't do this...just it's never been their main focus, to my corrected understanding.
 
karledice said:
Looks more bland and boring than the previous ones with the swerves and curves.
Now it looks lazy and sleepy
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Tyrang said:
The towers are really downgraded, minus the tallest one.

I am equally let down by the park.

The original proposal has a cool whole new rail park:
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Now they just attach a path to the existing High Rail Park:
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At this point, you might as well change your name to Union Path, since you just kinda dropped your namesake. The very cool glass connect between two of the buildings are removed too.

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Would have been cool to imagine walking to watch baseball through that glass podium / connection and the park....

Yes I am very let down :(
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karledice said:
It was just too grandiose for the existing market conditions I'm guessing :oops::oops::oops:. Cutting all corners possible till it becomes a circle lol
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Skyhighzz said:
Next Up… replacing that worn relic of a ballpark, formerly known as the SkyDome.
It’s time Toronto. Shabby neglected exterior. Join the rest of American ballparks in building new. Renos or not.
Last stadium standing.
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artemperederii said:
I am so sad. That could become another landmark view of Toronto, and now it looks like another bunch of some towers in the skyline
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Skyhighzz said:
These half-priced Toronto developers/architects duos are just woeful & cheerless. With not an ounce of architectural swagger pride. Probably most prime spot downtown and they downgrade & slash it to bland & joyless in every way. Buildings. Park space. Public space. That one building with some flair better be spectacular.
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ProjectEnd said:
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Not one of your better takes PE.

If people have no hopes, no dreams, no expectations and don't trust a single developer to deliver on their vision, at some point, you won't have a job, because people will be that angry, the industry will be shut down.

You need to be people to believe in those you do business with, to trust them, to hope that they will engage in city-building and most particularly, when they seem to promise to do so, that they will live up to that.

Sure, that's naive.....we both know better, as do many here..........

But if we reduce this City to everyone being cynical and thinking everyone else is a worthless, lying so and so.........

Well, that's not the City I want to live in.........

The problem is not people's expectations...........I would argue they aren't high enough.........

The problem is the people in the industry that fail to meet expectations, which I would describe as generously low.
 
Northern Light said:
Not one of your better takes PE.

If people have no hopes, no dreams, no expectations and don't trust a single developer to deliver on their vision, at some point, you won't have a job, because people will be that angry, the industry will be shut down.

You need to be people to believe in those you do business with, to trust them, to hope that they will engage in city-building and most particularly, when they seem to promise to do so, that they will live up to that.

Sure, that's naive.....we both know better, as do many here..........

But if we reduce this City to everyone being cynical and thinking everyone else is a worthless, lying so and so.........

Well, that's not the City I want to live in.........

The problem is not people's expectations...........I would argue they aren't high enough.........

The problem is the people in the industry that fail to meet expectations, which I would describe as generously low.
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Yeah, but everyone needs a classic know-it-all “expert” cynic around. Or life, developers & architecture wouldn’t be as amusing.
 
Northern Light said:
Not one of your better takes PE.

If people have no hopes, no dreams, no expectations and don't trust a single developer to deliver on their vision, at some point, you won't have a job, because people will be that angry, the industry will be shut down.

You need to be people to believe in those you do business with, to trust them, to hope that they will engage in city-building and most particularly, when they seem to promise to do so, that they will live up to that.

Sure, that's naive.....we both know better, as do many here..........

But if we reduce this City to everyone being cynical and thinking everyone else is a worthless, lying so and so.........

Well, that's not the City I want to live in.........

The problem is not people's expectations...........I would argue they aren't high enough.........

The problem is the people in the industry that fail to meet expectations, which I would describe as generously low.
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I think it was more the non sequitur derail towards the end of the quoted laments as oppose to the laments themselves that set that reply off. I know it left me scratching my head a bit. >.<
 
One of the graphics showed the Office tower to be 278 metres. Is the the roof height? Or the overall height? Also, it's 235 metres for the 71 floor residential tower.
 
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