ShonTron
Moderator
It should. Australia's railway operations are actually quite similar to Canada's in many ways.
It should. Australia's railway operations are actually quite similar to Canada's in many ways.
smallspy
Senior Member
Well, remember, they also have the British-built HST running as well, and I'm pretty confident in saying that as originally designed it wouldn't meet North American crashworthiness regs.
But I think we're getting a bit off topic now.
Dan
Toronto, Ont.
ehlow
Senior Member
Based on the renderings, I think the head-on shot of the trains probably make it look uglier than if it were from more of a side angle. The train itself looks OK.
I have to say that I'm excited about this, because, even though this isn't part of the main transit system, it's basically the first new transit line to open in a long long while, and it's not too far in the future now.
I also think that yes we can complain about this or that, but at the end of the day there will be a train to the airport in about a year, which is a great thing overall.
Looking forward to seeing pictures and videos of this thing when it opens.
I have to say that I'm excited about this, because, even though this isn't part of the main transit system, it's basically the first new transit line to open in a long long while, and it's not too far in the future now.
I also think that yes we can complain about this or that, but at the end of the day there will be a train to the airport in about a year, which is a great thing overall.
Looking forward to seeing pictures and videos of this thing when it opens.
officedweller
Senior Member
Here's the train in the Sonoma Marin Area Rapid Transit (SMART) livery:
http://roadwarrior.blogs.pressdemocrat.com/18861/first-smart-trains-ready-shipping/
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AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Oh gawd, can it get more pathetic than that? So, this line took a decade plus to get off the ground, using a train set that will in all likelihood be replaced relatively soon because we couldn't get our electrification act together. Just what does it say about who we are as a city and province huh?
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robmausser
Senior Member
The trains can be easily and affordably converted to electric operation. And they will be in 2017.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
That's what I meant by the current trainset will be replaced relatively soon - because we didn't plan and build ahead of time and have to use stop-gap measures. In that light, all the gushing hyperbole is all the more ridiculous.
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robmausser
Senior Member
But you are wrong....the trainset won't be replaced.
They will just be modified with a pantograph, some electrical transformers and their diesel engines removed (possibly, maybe they want to keep them in for resale)
They are designed to be convertible to electric power.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Thankfully - good to be corrected on that score.
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denfromoakvillemilton
Senior Member
Wow, you learn something new here everyday. We should have asked for those instead. No offense to Nippon Sharyo
salsa
Senior Member
I wonder how much more these convertible trains costed us compared to the all electric ones.
dowlingm
Senior Member
MetroNorth's M8s were just over US$2m per car - but that was an order of nearly 400 in all, and before you allocate a proportion of the electrification capital cost and the EMU yard.
SEPTA's Rotem Silverliner Vs were about the same but the reviews from Philadelphia aren't great. Can't imagine Denver's will be that much better.
Also - there would have been a time cost in getting the prerequisites for EMUs in place not needed for the DMUs like an electrified yard, several substations and the catenary between Union and Pearson, including any clearance issues not dealt with in other UPX/Georgetown South works.
I hope sense prevails, the DMUs will be redeployed or resold as is and 25kV high floor EMUs bought for UPX which can be adjusted and tested without impacting UPX service delivery.
SEPTA's Rotem Silverliner Vs were about the same but the reviews from Philadelphia aren't great. Can't imagine Denver's will be that much better.
Also - there would have been a time cost in getting the prerequisites for EMUs in place not needed for the DMUs like an electrified yard, several substations and the catenary between Union and Pearson, including any clearance issues not dealt with in other UPX/Georgetown South works.
I hope sense prevails, the DMUs will be redeployed or resold as is and 25kV high floor EMUs bought for UPX which can be adjusted and tested without impacting UPX service delivery.
robmausser
Senior Member
No problem! Glad to clear up any misunderstandings.
However, I will admit that if proper planning had been done, conversion of the rolling stock wouldnt need to happen, which will of course cost $$.
Less than completely replacing the trainset of course, but I am sure the government will find a way to make it as expensive of a conversion as possible
robmausser
Senior Member
Tough to say. All depends on how efficiently the conversion goes...and can we sell the diesel engines and recoup some costs, or do we want to keep them in the tains dormant for future resale.
I can't believe lugging around extra weight would be worth it however. We tend to run our rolling stock into the ground in Toronto anyways.
robmausser
Senior Member
Here's the train in the Sonoma Marin Area Rapid Transit (SMART) livery:
http://roadwarrior.blogs.pressdemocrat.com/18861/first-smart-trainsat-ready-shipping/
Will they be putting any sort of skirts around the equipment at the bottom? Its so exposed! Shield your eyes children!