ShonTron
Moderator
Ugh. How many times must you repeat this?
But it shows that Metrolinx is more interested in their pet project that expanding service. You tell us all the time Metrolinx doesn't extend service into Brampton but you're okay with the fact that pushed hard for the UPX. So why complain when you know they have other priorities?there is room for both....the fact that ML has been slow to increase the GO service does not change the value proposition/business case of the UP
For your argument/shot at me to be accurate you would have to believe that if UP was not built there would be more service to Brampton now and I don't believe that at all.But it shows that Metrolinx is more interested in their pet project that expanding service. You tell us all the time Metrolinx doesn't extend service into Brampton but you're okay with the fact that pushed hard for the UPX. So why complain when you know they have other priorities?
For your argument/shot at me to be accurate you would have to believe that if UP was not built there would be more service to Brampton now and I don't believe that at all.
What I do believe is that if UP was not built the whole GTS infrastructure build would still not have happened. Former GO head Gary McNeil and I had a long chat about GTS +/- 20 years ago. His/their position at the time was that the work that we later came to know as GTS would need to be done before any expansion of service was possible....AND that the justification for that work had to be that the demand was high on the Georgetown line that it alone warranted the +/- billion dollar expenditure.......and that, in his opinion, was never going to happen.
All that has changed now is that another project came along that needed that work....it got done....so, if anything, UP increased the possibility of improved GO service on the corridor.....all that is needed now is political will to turn that to increased probability.
But, back on topic of the discussion, critiquing UP with bad "studies" and falsehoods about prices is not going to magically make GO trains run....so it is a pointless exercise. The job is/should be to advocate/press for more GO trains....not tear down UP.
But we know that Bramlea will get all day service in the early 2020s. What about the rest of the line. I look at what's in front of me. In front of me I see buses to Kitchener and rail to the airport.For your argument/shot at me to be accurate you would have to believe that if UP was not built there would be more service to Brampton now and I don't believe that at all.
What I do believe is that if UP was not built the whole GTS infrastructure build would still not have happened. Former GO head Gary McNeil and I had a long chat about GTS +/- 20 years ago. His/their position at the time was that the work that we later came to know as GTS would need to be done before any expansion of service was possible....AND that the justification for that work had to be that the demand was high on the Georgetown line that it alone warranted the +/- billion dollar expenditure.......and that, in his opinion, was never going to happen.
All that has changed now is that another project came along that needed that work....it got done....so, if anything, UP increased the possibility of improved GO service on the corridor.....all that is needed now is political will to turn that to increased probability.
But, back on topic of the discussion, critiquing UP with bad "studies" and falsehoods about prices is not going to magically make GO trains run....so it is a pointless exercise. The job is/should be to advocate/press for more GO trains....not tear down UP.
How can there be capacity, if there was reports today that it was standing room only today mid-afternoon - https://twitter.com/gmbutts/status/623571922266288128Is there capacity? I think so:
UPX capacity = 672 pphpd (seated capacity with 3 car trainsets)
UPX projected peak hour ridership in 2020 = ~350 pphpd, or 52% utilization
How can there be capacity, if there was reports today that it was standing room only today mid-afternoon - https://twitter.com/gmbutts/status/623571922266288128
Sure, there might be some pretty empty runs. But if there are some pretty full runs, how do you reduce fares, without leaving people behind?
How can there be capacity, if there was reports today that it was standing room only today mid-afternoon - https://twitter.com/gmbutts/status/623571922266288128
If we're taking anecdotes on Twitter as hard data, that was a one-off caused by some pretty severe delays: https://twitter.com/jim9991/status/623565640289402880
Fair enough ... but delays are inevitable. Do they magically vanish if they lower the fares?If we're taking anecdotes on Twitter as hard data, that was a one-off caused by some pretty severe delays: https://twitter.com/jim9991/status/623565640289402880
Fair enough ... but delays are inevitable. Do they magically vanish if they lower the fares?
Vic, I used to, but havent in a while. Anything you have an interest in?
- Paul