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Or have a Sheppard East LRT go all the way to Agincourt as Line 4 diverts southeast to STC from there.

 

[ARG1]

I will say that for practical reasons I imagine Sheppard is portrayed as going to McCowan because showing it diverting to STC would be a bit messy to convey on something like a regional TMP. Line alignments are far from finalized in these after all.

Metrolinx has explicitly stated that its staying on Sheppard, and that Sheppard-McCowan is being designed with it in mind.

 

[Leo_Chan]

What provisions are being made to make it a good experience going from the new Scarborough Centre Station to Scarborough Town Centre mall? Is there an underground connection to the existing entrances or just a sidewalk?

 

[44 North]

I agree, avoiding STC would contradict the premise of UGCs in the first place, and cement it as a failed one. I chalk up a lot of STCs failures thus far is the lack of a Sheppard subway providing a connection to a more successful UGC in North York City Centre.

I will say that for practical reasons I imagine Sheppard is portrayed as going to McCowan because showing it diverting to STC would be a bit messy to convey on something like a regional TMP. Line alignments are far from finalized in these after all.

Devils advocate, there are some connectivity issues presented by going to STC ironically. Any LRT connections east of McCowan will be harder to access from Line 4, but perhaps that can be accounted for when such projects are actually underway.

Yes it contradicts a lot of things for Sheppard to bypass the Centre. Heck there's 5x as many jobs there.

 

[Sunnyside]

Metrolinx has explicitly stated that its staying on Sheppard, and that Sheppard-McCowan is being designed with it in mind.

Well the design isn’t finalized/public for Line 4 AFAIK, and Metrolinx often changes their tune- but I digress. Do we know what this station’s design entails? If not, provisions for heading south could be included for all we know. If that’s not the case and they are just going to terminate Line 4 at Sheppard-McCowan, I’d say this is a misstep, for reasons in the post here:

Yes it contradicts a lot of things for Sheppard to bypass the Centre. Heck there's 5x as many jobs there.

It seems like a colossal waste of planning, time and money to create policies for UGCs and identify them as target nodes for transit if we bypass them for the sake of a Lines’ linearity. Sure, the intersection can handle the growth perhaps, but STC has the room and historic planning expectation built-in.

It’s probably fair to assume Line 4 will never need to go east of McCowan, and even if it does, the value of reaching STC exists now. Other lines can head east. Just because STC was not laid out in an ideal location for a continuous Sheppard line, it does need mean we should ignore it.

The only case to terminate at Sheppard-McCowan is if there is rail service introduced on CP’s mainline just north of the intersection. A VIA HFR or GO midtown Station would present enough of a reason to keep Line 4 on Sheppard.

 

[toronto647]

Infrastructure Ontario Market Update - March 2023

For the first time in years SSE is no longer on the market update as all contracts have been tendered and executed. First of the 4 Ford Major projects to come off the board.

Amazing achievement!

Market Update Link - https://www.infrastructureontario.c..._Market_Update/Market Update - March 2023.pdf

 

[carlosdanger]

Infrastructure Ontario Market Update - March 2023

For the first time in years SSE is no longer on the market update as all contracts have been tendered and executed. First of the 4 Ford Major projects to come off the board.

Amazing achievement!

Market Update Link - https://www.infrastructureontario.c..._Market_Update/Market Update - March 2023.pdf

Most exciting transit development since Line 2 crossed Victoria Park Avenue.

 

[afransen]

The only case to terminate at Sheppard-McCowan is if there is rail service introduced on CP’s mainline just north of the intersection. A VIA HFR or GO midtown Station would present enough of a reason to keep Line 4 on Sheppard.

A connection with service on the CP mainline could be accomplished with a station at Sheppard/Midland.

 

[Aplus23]

Well the design isn’t finalized/public for Line 4 AFAIK, and Metrolinx often changes their tune- but I digress. Do we know what this station’s design entails? If not, provisions for heading south could be included for all we know. If that’s not the case and they are just going to terminate Line 4 at Sheppard-McCowan, I’d say this is a misstep, for reasons in the post here:

It seems like a colossal waste of planning, time and money to create policies for UGCs and identify them as target nodes for transit if we bypass them for the sake of a Lines’ linearity. Sure, the intersection can handle the growth perhaps, but STC has the room and historic planning expectation built-in.

It’s probably fair to assume Line 4 will never need to go east of McCowan, and even if it does, the value of reaching STC exists now. Other lines can head east. Just because STC was not laid out in an ideal location for a continuous Sheppard line, it does need mean we should ignore it.

The only case to terminate at Sheppard-McCowan is if there is rail service introduced on CP’s mainline just north of the intersection. A VIA HFR or GO midtown Station would present enough of a reason to keep Line 4 on Sheppard.

I'm confused as to why Sheppard needs to divert south when the Danforth line is already going to STC. If someone on Sheppard wants to get to the STC, then transfer at Sheppard n McCowan and take the Danforth line one stop south.

Bringing Sheppard to STC precludes it from heading east and creating a crosstown rail link on the northern side of the city.

Scarborough doesn't start or end at McCown ppl

 

[afransen]

I'm confused as to why Sheppard needs to divert south when the Danforth line is already going to STC. If someone on Sheppard wants to get to the STC, then transfer at Sheppard n McCowan and take the Danforth line one stop south.

Bringing Sheppard to STC precludes it from heading east and creating a crosstown rail link on the northern side of the city.

Scarborough doesn't start or end at McCown ppl

Th crosstown rail link on the northern side of the city is the 407 transitway. Sheppard won't be extended east of McCowan on Sheppard. The corridor that is being intensified is Ellesmere.

 

[AlxOptimism]

What provisions are being made to make it a good experience going from the new Scarborough Centre Station to Scarborough Town Centre mall? Is there an underground connection to the existing entrances or just a sidewalk?

Latest render

Old design but gives you an idea of the environment under the green roof

Provision for a second entrance on Progress that could (presumably) be integrated into the neighboring STC development block and allow for a fully enclosed passage between the mall and Line 2 platforms

 

[NoahB]

Latest render

Old design but gives you an idea of the environment under the green roof

Provision for a second entrance on Progress that could (presumably) be integrated into the neighboring STC development block and allow for a fully enclosed passage between the mall and Line 2 platforms

The design you shared is the old design from 2018.


Now the station and bus platform are completely east of McCowan.

There is no indication of any sort of connection or pathway to the mall anymore. It will be a 500m walk outdoors to get to the nearest mall entrance.
A tower opposite the station on McCown will have a second entrance to the station. But I dont think there is a path through the building to the mall either.

Two Towers Part of Masterplan for Scarborough Town Centre Area | UrbanToronto

Oxford Properties Group has submitted an applications to the City of Toronto for OPA and ZBA for two towers on the east side of the Scarborough Town Centre site, referred to as Block 2, which is currently surface parking to the east of the Cineplex cinemas beside the mall.

urbantoronto.ca

 

[AlxOptimism]

The design you shared is the old design from 2018.


Now the station and bus platform are completely east of McCowan.
View attachment 459519

There is no indication of any sort of connection or pathway to the mall anymore. It will be a 500m walk outdoors to get to the nearest mall entrance.
A tower opposite teh station on McCown will have a second entrance to the station. But I dont think there is a path through the building to the mall either.

Two Towers Part of Masterplan for Scarborough Town Centre Area | UrbanToronto

Oxford Properties Group has submitted an applications to the City of Toronto for OPA and ZBA for two towers on the east side of the Scarborough Town Centre site, referred to as Block 2, which is currently surface parking to the east of the Cineplex cinemas beside the mall.

urbantoronto.ca

View attachment 459521

Ah that makes sense... must've been a change when they moved to the three-stop extension. explains the large bus terminal at Shephard and McCowan too.

There could still be provisions made for an enclosed link to the mall however... I know they want to tear down the Cineplex for development. Would be easy enough to leave knockout-panels beneath the "two-towers" block

 

[Tunafish13]

That looks like a SIGNIFICATNLY smaller bus terminal than whats currently there. Do they plan on rerouting a lot of bus routes to sheppard? Doesnt it make sense to have a large bus terminal at or near a major mall? The new station design isnt even connected to the mall, that makes no sense to me....

 

[Islington Express Bus]

That looks like a SIGNIFICATNLY smaller bus terminal than whats currently there. Do they plan on rerouting a lot of bus routes to sheppard? Doesnt it make sense to have a large bus terminal at or near a major mall? The new station design isnt even connected to the mall, that makes no sense to me....

Yes, many routes will end at Sheppard instead, I remember reading that years ago.