Aaron_Lloyd
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Aah, fair enough, I was just going by what Google was saying.It actually takes closer to 50 mins from millwoods to downtown by bus in the morning.
Aah, fair enough, I was just going by what Google was saying.It actually takes closer to 50 mins from millwoods to downtown by bus in the morning.
I really hope the city restores the wild rose garden and pathways once the bridge work is finished.I REALLY like the look of this new bridge and the trail system/landscaping is very promising.
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I am one of the "some people" and think if we do another complete line it should be on elevated tracks or underground tracks (yes the fricken big dig) with heated stations. Do it right, do it once and do it for the next 100 years or don't do it at all. The Valley line is nothing more than a street car but somewhat faster in some parts of the line. It is not a metro or subway or designed for mass transit. I do not know if the track needs to upgraded for higher speed trains, but do know infrastructure will need to be added if the line is upgraded to accommodate faster and more frequent trains to get through intersections. I think they added too many stops to pander to communities along the route.
You have to get used to the idea that it is not a metro system but PRIMARILY an urban vehicle. The convenience of more frequent stops and easy access will make it very attractive encouraging infill in the inner city. It wouldn’t work as a commuter system out to Leduc or Spruce Grove.It'll take 30 minutes they say, with some variability caused by the fact that the train stops at some traffic lights. A drive from Mill Woods Town Centre to City Centre mall is 23 min without much traffic to about 35 min with traffic, factor in the fact that you actually have to get to the station itself and during off-peak potentially wait as much as 10 min for a train to even leave the use case for the line is already looking kind of unfavourable in my view. Especially when the existing buses on this route make the trip in 34 min and for much less than $1.8b could have simply had their frequency increased.
Or ideally for some more money we could have just built a transit line that would actually outcompete a car in much more use cases (as the capital line already does).
I think I mentioned it before in this thread, but I don't have any inherent problem with slower urban vehicles, if this line followed an old radial railway line route I'd have no qualms. But this line is clearly being built with commuters in mind, Millwoods isn't that close, but it's using a slower urban vehicle, I worry it's a mismatch. Keep in mind that the long-term logical extension of this line is to Beaumont.You have to get used to the idea that it is not a metro system but PRIMARILY an urban vehicle. The convenience of more frequent stops and easy access will make it very attractive encouraging infill in the inner city. It wouldn’t work as a commuter system out to Leduc or Spruce Grove.
We shouldn't be using either type of LRT to serve places like Leduc or Spruce Grove. Those far out bedroom communities should be served by commuter rail. If we do build the Capital Line past the airport to Leduc, we need to supplement that with an express rail on the CP ROW to funnel people into the core, while the LRT helps workers in Leduc reach the airport. Serving the northern end of St. Albert with the Metro Line is pushing it to its limits. I also think a low-floor Energy Line could serve Sherwood Park well provided that it's built to be fast along Baseline Road. Serving Spruce Grove and Stony Plain with anything less than commuter rail is absurd.You have to get used to the idea that it is not a metro system but PRIMARILY an urban vehicle. The convenience of more frequent stops and easy access will make it very attractive encouraging infill in the inner city. It wouldn’t work as a commuter system out to Leduc or Spruce Grove.
Of which only some is under construction. Morguard at the mall 0%. NearArtic in Strathern 0% and Holyrood is a work in progress assuming they are still progressing.I've always thought the stop at Grey Nuns was unnecessary tbh. It's not much further from the hospital than Mill Woods. Plus, we made a major blunder by not elevating the line in the Bonnie Doon area. But at least there's lots of proposed and under-construction development around the line.
Beaumont is a stretch. In my humble opinion the line should branch at MWTC with the one line extending east to 50 street to 23 avenue then east to city limits with the other line continuing south to city limits.I think I mentioned it before in this thread, but I don't have any inherent problem with slower urban vehicles, if this line followed an old radial railway line route I'd have no qualms. But this line is clearly being built with commuters in mind, Millwoods isn't that close, but it's using a slower urban vehicle, I worry it's a mismatch. Keep in mind that the long-term logical extension of this line is to Beaumont.
There are far more people to serve in the route you suggest than in Beaumont. We need to serve Edmonton's larger population first before thinking about lines to smaller regional centres.Beaumont is a stretch. In my humble opinion the line should branch at MWTC with the one line extending east to 50 street to 23 avenue then east to city limits with the other line continuing south to city limits.
Hopefully Bonnie Doon progresses soon; the temporary transit plaza that's under construction was a city-mandated pre-requisite before any further development could proceed.Of which only some is under construction. Morguard at the mall 0%. NearArtic in Strathern 0% and Holyrood is a work in progress assuming they are still progressing.
Calgary and Ottawa both have busier networks, more than double the ridershipIt actually takes closer to 50 mins from millwoods to downtown by bus in the morning. You as well have to walk to the bus station.
Parking in downtown costs $300 a month on average. Not everyone can afford it. That's why our laughable LRT network is the busiest in North America.
We can cry out it as much as we want, but when this city approaches 2 mil and everyone will be stuck in a car on the way to downtown for 2 hours or more everyday (that's what it was from Terwillegar to downtown pre-pandemic).