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Whoever says that Olympics money would be better spent on housing, TTC, public realms improvements - I agree!

Problem is that money won't go to these causes. We all know it.
 
There's only one taxpayer. It's not a discount, it's a shell game. You (as a citizen) own all three levels of government.

The problem with the Olympics is you get a very bad return on your investment - by any measure. Say we spend $5B on Games infrastructure, $10B on general infrastructure and $5B to run the thing. $2B of that Games spend is for a stadium we don't need, and the remaining $3B is spent on overbuilding venues and paying a premium to accelerate construction. The $5B in security and logistics is just money flushed down the toilet. The $10B in true infrastructure spend is the real legacy, but if it's that important we should be building it anyways. Wrapping it in the Games is just a hack move by visionless politicians who lack the ability to sell a plan based on its own merits.

In contrast, we could spend $1B to improve our regional sports & recreation infrastructure and get far more bang for the buck. A few hundred million of the $5B in event spending (for what one assumes would actually be a pretty decent party) could fund a shitload of Pride Parades, Caribanas, NXNE and who knows what other events that would actually bring tourist dollars into the city. Olympics don't result in tourist booms before or after the games and spending for the two weeks is partially offset by all the Torontonians who would get out of dodge for the two weeks. Meanwhile, the $10B in basic infrastructure (DRL etc...) should be spent regardless of whether we get to run around with a flame on a stick.

So basically we'd be wasting about $5-10B by hosting the Olympics in order to secure $10B in infrastructure spending we should be investing regardless. Not to mention the time and effort and agenda-hijacking for seven years at all three levels of government. That's why someone who is serious about city building should be against the Olympics, not for it.

Haha, how stupid do you think people here are? We already pointed out that there have only been 2 summer games that spent more than $10B. It's hard to take you seriously when you think security and logistics will cost $5,000,000,000.
 
Let me put it this way: I'd rather have billions 'wasted' on Toronto and the GTA than billions wasted in Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Montreal or Quebec City.

Capisce?
I'd rather see Edmonton and Montreal get proper transit infrastructure than flush money down the toilet so no one else can get it. This is why we can't have nice things.
 
Dude, we paid for Montreal's, Calgary's and Vancouver's carnival (not to mention the Expos and other frivolities Toronto has funded over the decades).

It's Toronto's turn to take, and we are basically taking our own money. If you are under the impression these funds would be redirected anyway to Toronto to be used for housing, transit and infrastructure - you're delusional!

FYI: our Portlands would be largely developed by now had we won the 2008 SOG. Complete with plenty of subsidized housing, parks and transit.

It's 2015.. Tick tock...
 
I also forgot to add that the media village and other facilities were to be located at the West Donlands - so with the 2008 SOG we would have had a largely developed Portlands and West Donlands.

While I fully agree that these sites will get developed over time, I don't want to be 50 years old to appreciate them once they're built. We're all getting older and Toronto doesn't seem to know what execution means unless there's deadlines.
 
And Rosie added a few quips - from the Star:

But Toronto’s bid had been effectively hamstrung and hexed by a grassroots anti-Olympic bloc led by Jack Layton and his Bread Not Circus coalition.

Toronto didn’t get those Games, which so pleased Layton et al. Neither, though, did it get many community-oriented benefits for a city’s neediest populace – the services and enriching social programs that the resistance movement claimed would be sacrificed to an Olympics public-purse budget.

It turned out a lose-lose proposition.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/pan...-seize-the-moment-on-olympic-bid-dimanno.html

AoD
 
Exactly.. We have decades of proof that the government will not fund Toronto's needs and SOG funding is mutually exclusive from our regular arrangements.

What the SOG can do is open up these purses for legacies - ie: sports infrastructure (ever wondered why the GTA produced so few of Canada's top athletes? It's because we have garbage facilities, and the Panams have fixed this partially), transit (the very least we can expect LRT up and down the waterfront), subsidized housing (residences for 10,000 athletes means many units), and the monumental scale of the parks and plazas (this is one of those intangibles that every big city should strive to have).
 
Exactly.. We have decades of proof that the government will not fund Toronto's needs and SOG funding is mutually exclusive from our regular arrangements.

What the SOG can do is open up these purses for legacies - ie: sports infrastructure (ever wondered why the GTA produced so few of Canada's top athletes? It's because we have garbage facilities, and the Panams have fixed this partially), transit (the very least we can expect LRT up and down the waterfront), subsidized housing (residences for 10,000 athletes means many units), and the monumental scale of the parks and plazas (this is one of those intangibles that every big city should strive to have).

Actually it's even more basic than that - we have done the planning, we have heard soft promises of transit and housing improvements - this merely closes the door to the thought of backtracking on those commitments. You cannot delay RER anymore because it will be needed; you cannot stop regeneration because the site will be required.

AoD
 

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