TheTigerMaster
Superstar
I would like the BRT to be studied. It might be faster than the LRT, if it is interlined with local bus routes. Challenges will be bus frequencies, bunching.
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I would like the BRT to be studied. It might be faster than the LRT, if it is interlined with local bus routes. Challenges will be bus frequencies, bunching.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
Based on what I'm reading on Twitter, these people thing BRT will widen the roads and give more space to cars.
Palma
Senior Member
But during rush hour every 12 min and off peak every 20 min though in the evening it is 30min. But it is the rush hour that benefits people - AM &PM
Palma
Senior Member
thats the thing. Those people love their cars and that was their concern that the LRT would interfere with it. One resident even said that the LRT should accommodate buses using the same tracks which made no sense. With an LRT there would be no buses unless there will be limited stops along Crosstown west. Thats why the LRT only needs to stop at major intersections and after Martingrove straight to Pearson. Obviously they have to know that now that heavy rail is off the table and Tory wants a route to Pearson (less expensive than UP presently), BRT does not to make sense. There is so much misconception of LRT. There was also concern about "overheard wires", etc and how it would not be ecstatically pleasing.
A valid point is people were interested in transit in their part of the neighbourhood not in the East end in Scarborough. In Scarborough I am sure the focus is out there. And for residents that use their car, they are not interested in the DRL or SmartTrack either. Metrolinx had to know this. i looked at the boards but not all as there was limited time but got a good explanation of the electrification and how there will be 3 different sizes of electrical generators (not the correct terminology) and where they will be stationed so i found it interesting. But when you have a crowd whom do no want to give up their cars its a different story
Palma
Senior Member
But these politicians are also trying to represent the residents and if the residents feel LRT is not a good option he will say that (even though personally he may think they are). They do not want to be known as the politician who championed for a particular mode of transit against residents wishes come election time. They want to go on the record as fighting for what residents want.
Whats great if people do not want the LRT, is there won't be people clamouring to have more stops than necessary. The Crosstown could afford to loose a few stations (4-5 spring to mind) so there would only be 20-21 stops (the central portion though). Minimize stations on Crosstown west and east. There should not be more than 40 from the end of Crosstown West to the end of o Crosstown East
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salsa
Senior Member
Whenever the LRT haters call for a BRT (when they can't get a subway of course), they're not talking about real BRT with dedicated lanes like Viva. At best they just want an express bus with maybe a couple of queue jump lanes, all of which would be a temporary measure while they forever await the possibility for a subway instead. At least that's what we've seen with the Sheppard LRT, and it's has almost everything to do with entitled drivers who don't take transit who don't want to lose even half a minute of their time.
crs1026
Superstar
Yeah - Mr. Campbell. The scary part was, he was kind of articulate.
Two times faster than 32 in this segment, or overall? My impression is that the bus moves as well as anything out in this stretch, unlike east of Keele. Personally I have no faith in Toronto's implementation of priority signalling. I would like to see some separation at major intersections. If the land hadn't been sold off, I'm sure there could have been left turn lanes figured out that would satisfy the residents (that seems to be the biggest issue), but as all the new buildings go up I'm not so sure.
Still, if the ridership numbers aren't there....
PS - it was pointed out that the EA never contemplated going into the airport, just "close to it".
- Paul
crs1026
Superstar
Well, the only way you're going to change that is to build a section that works and use it as an example. Somebody cited Queensway as an example, and it isn't close to LRT ideals. What Torontonians know is that we called St Clair LRT, and it isn't ......and we called Queens Quay LRT.......and it isn't.......and we called Spadina LRT.......and it isn't. You can't blame people for seeing things as they actually are.
- Paul
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
How is the Queensway not close to LRT?
crs1026
Superstar
There in no (working) transit priority signalling, tracks are never well maintained and frequently have slow orders, stop spacing is fairly close.
It doesn't help that it's the end of the run and operators who have kept to schedule can dog it over the last lap from St Joe's, because the schedule padding allows this. Also doesn't help that they creep over the turnouts ar Roncy, or stop to socialise with other operators there.
501 to bus at Humber Loop is my most frequently used TTC route, so I feel quite comfortable in saying - it ain't Portlandia.
- Paul
It doesn't help that it's the end of the run and operators who have kept to schedule can dog it over the last lap from St Joe's, because the schedule padding allows this. Also doesn't help that they creep over the turnouts ar Roncy, or stop to socialise with other operators there.
501 to bus at Humber Loop is my most frequently used TTC route, so I feel quite comfortable in saying - it ain't Portlandia.
- Paul
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
Was at the Richview Collegiate presentation today. Noticed a few comments that subways, subways, subways is better that light rail. Put on my own comment that light rail is less expensive with more stops for the neighbourhoods it goes through.
Did write a comment sheet that the Eglinton & Martin Grove intersection is one of the most traffic congested intersections in Toronto. It would be better for the LRT to go below grade at that intersection to a southwest stop, and continuing west on the south side of Eglinton to The East Mall.
Did write a comment sheet that the Eglinton & Martin Grove intersection is one of the most traffic congested intersections in Toronto. It would be better for the LRT to go below grade at that intersection to a southwest stop, and continuing west on the south side of Eglinton to The East Mall.
Hopkins123
Senior Member
^ Any details about the number of stops planned for Crosstown West i.e. just at major interesections or a 17-stop route.
That'd have even less usage than the 14 Glencairn which routes just to the north.
That'd have even less usage than the 14 Glencairn which routes just to the north.
salsa
Senior Member
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
After:
Eglinton Avenue West should now be open. They had good "warm" weather to take the old bridge down.
Eglinton Avenue West should now be open. They had good "warm" weather to take the old bridge down.
DonValleyRainbow
Senior Member
Well actually, I envisioned it as more something like this:
This way instead of the huge meandering loop of Church, Weston and Oak; it would operate in a bi-directional manner via Pine Street. Short turns of either trips originating at Keelesdale or at Lawrence West could resume the original Church, Weston Oak loop though.
I lived in Weston when they changed the 59. It used to run on Lawrence between the Allen and Culford during rush hour, making it a good route for commuters along Weston Road and in the Maple Leaf neighbourhoods. It was also a bit altered, and detoured along Kind instead of Church/Maple Leaf because they were constructing the Weston tunnel at the time.
Around the time the detour ended, changes were made to the 52 and with it, the 59 was converted to run along its current route. Added extra time to what was originally a pretty good route. While it is a good change in that it provided regular service to those living on Culford (south of Lawrence) and Guliver, it impacted upstream riders. That and no-one really uses it east of Keele and south of Lawrence.
I like the loop idea, merging it with Trethewey, but would just make it start and end at Keelesdale. No need to send it back to Lawrence. Riders can transfer to the 52 if they need to go north or to Glencairn.