[TransitBart]

Guess what intersection along the proposed Eglinton West LRT, they should grade separate the right-of-way? Bonus points, if you can guess where there should be a grade separation at an intersection along the proposed Eglinton East LRT, where it goes along Kingston Road?

I grew up in Etobicoke, so I am guessing the Eglinton, Martingrove, old Richview Expressway, East Mall, Hwy 401 jumble. It has not been am easy drive through this intersection for twenty years at rush hour. Eglinton itself is quite stop and go from Kipling west at busy points of the day.

 

[TransitBart]

Guess what intersection along the proposed Eglinton West LRT, they should grade separate the right-of-way? Bonus points, if you can guess where there should be a grade separation at an intersection along the proposed Eglinton East LRT, where it goes along Kingston Road?

Answer two. Islington is in a depression at Eglinton, so a flyover for the LRT would be a no-brainer.

 

[CapitalSeven]

The EA plan for Martin Grove had a scheme to take much of the turning traffic out of the intersection. But they've likely moved on to something else.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

The province has the money to spend on roadways to be used by single occupant motor vehicles in underpasses and overpasses, but very little for trains of hundreds of passengers in transit vehicles.

 

[Steve X]

The province has the money to spend on roadways to be used by single occupant motor vehicles in underpasses and overpasses, but very little for trains of hundreds of passengers in transit vehicles.

It's so much cheaper to do a small road project that sounds good in the nearby communities. A $50M project can widen a highway for a few kilometres and they buy hundreds of votes.

For the city of Toronto, transportation planning is really planning for cars. They rather put in a left turning lane and stick with the garbage far side stops that stops LRVs twice at an intersection.

 

[BurlOak]

Answer two. Islington is in a depression at Eglinton, so a flyover for the LRT would be a no-brainer.

If Martin Grove and Islington are grade separated, then the line would be like a roller coaster.
Up over Jane and Black Creek, down at Royal York, up over Islington and down at Kipling and up over Martin Grove. At each of those, the on-street segments, would be for under a kilometre, before rising again.

The EA plan for Martin Grove had a scheme to take much of the turning traffic out of the intersection. But they've likely moved on to something else.

So freeway style ramps terminals promote an urban streetscape?

 

[Steve X]

So freeway style ramps terminals promote an urban streetscape?

The SW ramp is under a hydro corridor with an Enbridge feeder station. The NE ramp would be beside a park. SE is a high school. NW is a becoming a forest with all those trees planet in the 90s. A bunch of apartments is behind that. Westbound leads to major highways. There's just no hope for the intersection.

 

[crs1026]

Thanks. We're there any slides from the meeting?

There are now http://www1.toronto.ca/City Of Toro...els/Eglinton West_LRT_Boards_FINAL June 2.pdf

- Paul

 

[TheTigerMaster]

There are now http://www1.toronto.ca/City Of Toronto/City Planning/Transportation Planning/May PIC 2016/Panels/Eglinton West_LRT_Boards_FINAL June 2.pdf

- Paul

Thanks!

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Notably, this could open as soon as 2024. Not too bad, since Crosstown will open 2021. Other than that, I don't see any new info in the presentation

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

If the bicycle path (marked as "22" in the photo) is moved closer to the south (unless someone complains about the noise bicycles cause), they'll be able to have the right-of-way go down from the middle of Eglinton Avenue West from just west of Lloyd Manor Road, under and below the Martin Grove & Eglinton intersection, and below grade at the southwest corner. With a stop below grade at the southwest corner, it could return to be level with the roadway but continue on the south side of Eglinton Avenue West, crossing Etobicoke Creek to reach The East Mall. There would be zero delays or interference with the traffic in this area.

 

[nfitz]

If those are the worst intersections in Toronto, then we are laughing. I swear there are worse ones in 905! I'm intimately familiar with 3 of them in rush hour - none are worse than a 5-minute delay, and more like 2-3 minutes.

I've spent far longer at various spots on Highway 7.

 

[Markster]

If the bicycle path (marked as "22" in the photo) is moved closer to the south (unless someone complains about the noise bicycles cause), they'll be able to have the right-of-way go down from the middle of Eglinton Avenue West from just west of Lloyd Manor Road, under and below the Martin Grove & Eglinton intersection, and below grade at the southwest corner. With a stop below grade at the southwest corner, it could return to be level with the roadway but continue on the south side of Eglinton Avenue West, crossing Etobicoke Creek to reach The East Mall. There would be zero delays or interference with the traffic in this area.

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At least the Finch LRT shows that they're willing to do things like have stations in a cutting:

 

[crs1026]

Other than that, I don't see any new info in the presentation

To give credit where due - I was impressed by the degree to which the verbal presentation acknowledged and attempted to respond directly to concerns that were raised at the previous meetings. Not all the answers are in, but it was a very constructive approach - no skating.

- Paul

 

[crs1026]

If those are the worst intersections in Toronto, then we are laughing. I swear there are worse ones in 905! I'm intimately familiar with 3 of them in rush hour - none are worse than a 5-minute delay, and more like 2-3 minutes.

I've spent far longer at various spots on Highway 7.

It's a bit of a disservice to focus on one single intersection. If the study were rephrased as "the longest time taken to cover 1 km" I could suggest a few stretches of road that qualify. And statistically, intersections 11-20 are probably only a few seconds worse than 1-10. If you graphed all the intersections that exceed a criteria of X, you'd have enough circles to paint a Zum bus.

- Paul