[DonValleyRainbow]

Something I noticed about the ridership projections for Crosstown East and West is that East is projected to have about 43,000 riders per day, while West is projected to have 60 to 70,000 riders. This doesn't really make sense to me, as:
- Crosstown East has much higher peak ridership
- There's more development along Eglinton East
- There's been far more bus ridership coming into Kennedy, than there is coming into the Mt. Dennis corridor.

Any ideas?

Transfers from Mississauga Transitway.

 

[44 North]

Something I noticed about the ridership projections for Crosstown East and West is that East is projected to have about 43,000 riders per day, while West is projected to have 60 to 70,000 riders. This doesn't really make sense to me, as:
- Crosstown East has much higher peak ridership
- There's more development along Eglinton East
- There's been far more bus ridership coming into Kennedy, than there is coming into the Mt. Dennis corridor.

Any ideas?

Where'd you get that number, particularly the line broken down into sections? My fall back is a 2008 Metrolinx backgrounder. It gives annual per line projections, and iirc my maths got me an avg daily ridership of 196,000 for the entire line.

Correct that 43k seems on the low side. One thing that quite possibly resulted in a lower X-Town East than previously envisioned is SSE. With the SRT/SLRT there was a transfer and choice between Line 2 and 5 from those heading from SCC to Kennedy. Now many may choose to stay on Line 2 to wherever they're headed. The projection for the West seems about right though.

 

[sixrings]

8 years. SMH.

 

[BurlOak]

I don't have the numbers now, but I remember the SmartTrack number for west were very dependent on transit speed and frequency. A slow on-street LRT had low ridership, even though frequency was high. Meanwhile, the limited stop high frequency ST had high ridership.
I don't think they had the numbers, but presumably a high frequency, fast, and reliable LRT (which can be achieved with grade-separation) with stations only at major roads would have the highest ridership.
But since they haven't studied this, I would agree that there are more unknowns.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Forget about noisy light-rail vehicles or traffic, what about noisy neighbours?

 

[TheTigerMaster]

I don't have the numbers now, but I remember the SmartTrack number for west were very dependent on transit speed and frequency. A slow on-street LRT had low ridership, even though frequency was high. Meanwhile, the limited stop high frequency ST had high ridership.
I don't think they had the numbers, but presumably a high frequency, fast, and reliable LRT (which can be achieved with grade-separation) with stations only at major roads would have the highest ridership.
But since they haven't studied this, I would agree that there are more unknowns.

I believe these are the numbers you're talking about:

So this actually shows that the Crosstown LRT option, which has more stops than the other heavy rail options, generated the most ridership of the three options. In particular, the LRT generated 22,000 more daily riders than the Eglinton heavy rail option with three stops. The Crosstown West was expected to have all day ridership of 60,000 persons, so a difference of 22,000 is very significant. I find the higher ridership numbers for Crosstown West particularly surprising since the LRT would not benefit from having a direct Central Etobicoke to Downtown connection.

Finally, here's a map showing peak eastbound AM ridership for SmartTrack's western spur (the first option in the table above).

What's notable here is that the peak hour ridership eastbound from Mt. Dennis was 9,161 pphpd. Can we deduce from this that the Crosstown West would have even higher peak hour ridership, since its all day ridership is expected to be higher than the all day ridership for the SmartTrack western spur? In either case, the ridership on Crosstown West LRT could be quite high; certainly higher than the Sheppard Subway or any other LRT line, and likely higher than the Spadina Subway or Scarborough Subway (both move approx 7500 pphpd). For reference, the Eglinton LRT was previously expected to have eastbound peak hour volumes of 3950 pphpd at Mt Dennis and 5750 pphpd at Eglinton West.

http://www.thecrosstown.ca/sites/default/files/eglinton_crosstown_lrt_demand_forecasting_report.pdf

 

[Johnny Au]

Forget about noisy light-rail vehicles or traffic, what about noisy neighbours?

What about neighbours with teenage garage rock bands?

 

[TheTigerMaster]

View attachment 77630

Is it just me, or are the titles for these charts reversed?

Eastbound should read Westbound and vice versa.

 

[salsa]

On twitter I found this rendering of one of the surface stops. Not sure if it was posted here before.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

From a panel from the SmartTrack/Eglinton West LRT presentation, there was this slide:

What is those "Approved" developments in the southwest corner of Eglinton & Kipling? Did I miss some signage, or did they fall down and were never righted?

There was a new LCBO store that was recently built and opened at the southeast corner of Lloyd Manor & Eglinton, so how can that section be "approved" for development as well?

Maybe someone could put in some links that would explain them?

 

[crs1026]

I don't know what is planned for the Metro/LCBO site, but see

https://cases.legal/en/act-ca1-941519.html

for the Warrender site.

- Paul

 

[Amare]

Nice catch @W. K. Lis . It's nice to see RoFo and DoFo's legacy project going through, and i'm looking forward to the garbage that will be strung along this stretch of Eglinton.

In all seriousness, it's unfortunate that the ROW was sold off because something very interesting could have taken place with the LRT along this stretch.

 

[Steve X]

Nice catch @W. K. Lis . It's nice to see RoFo and DoFo's legacy project going through, and i'm looking forward to the garbage that will be strung along this stretch of Eglinton.

In all seriousness, it's unfortunate that the ROW was sold off because something very interesting could have taken place with the LRT along this stretch.

Honestly they could still put the tracks on one side of the road and erect a small fence. Probably it has to be the south side now since having LRVs running within a couple metres of those townhouses would certainly cause a lot of complaints. However, they did not reserve enough space for grade separation.

 

[drum118]

• Date:Wednesday, June 15, 2016
• Who: Ward Councilor/Metrolinx
• What: Open House for Forest Hill Station Plans
• Where: Forest Hill Collegiate Institute, 730 Eglinton Ave. W, Toronto, ON
• When: 18:30 p.m to 20:30 p.m.
• Notes:
• Website: The Crosstown LRT

 

[Amare]

Honestly they could still put the tracks on one side of the road and erect a small fence. Probably it has to be the south side now since having LRVs running within a couple metres of those townhouses would certainly cause a lot of complaints. However, they did not reserve enough space for grade separation.

Physically it would be possible, but it would run into several problems especially at intersections and with station placement to the point where it could potentially drive up costs further compared to building it on Eglinton itself. The ROW that was sold off would have allowed for a multitude of options compared to what we've been left with today.