[Monarch Butterfly]

The 35 Jane bus route has a daily ridership of 32,000 (#11) and 195 Jane Rocket bus route has a ridership of 13,000 (#41). Add them together(45,000) and they are just under the 32 Eglinton West daily ridership of 48,000 (#2). Most of the busy at the Eglinton & Jane intersection comes from transfers. Transfers would increase with the Crosstown LRT. From link.

 

[innsertnamehere]

the Jane bus will run to Mount Dennis to encourage transfers once the LRT opens. That is going to quite a large detour - a Jane stop on the Eglinton West line would be really valuable for Jane Bus riders who do not wish to transfer as it would save them that time traveled over to Weston Road.

 

[steveintoronto]

the Jane bus will run to Mount Dennis to encourage transfers once the LRT opens. That is going to quite a large detour - a Jane stop on the Eglinton West line would be really valuable for Jane Bus riders who do not wish to transfer as it would save them that time traveled over to Weston Road.

I remember as a kid, before Eglinton even existed west of Weston (other than a stub) when the Jane 35 went across Lambton, then up Guestville, and looped at Weston Rd. There was no Jane bus north of Lambton, and the valley was still the most fertile land in Ontario, even more so than Holland Marsh. Mostly Dutch and some Chinese truck farmers.

I don't see the wisdom, now that everything has changed, of reverting back to routing the 35 via Mt Dennis.

 

[Avenue]

The 35 Jane bus route has a daily ridership of 32,000 (#11) and 195 Jane Rocket bus route has a ridership of 13,000 (#41). Add them together(45,000) and they are just under the 32 Eglinton West daily ridership of 48,000 (#2). Most of the busy at the Eglinton & Jane intersection comes from transfers. Transfers would increase with the Crosstown LRT. From link.

Isn't Jane Rocket ridership going to plummet once York University subway extension opens though?

 

[aquateam]

So according to google maps, we would be looking at ~5 minute detour, which is a bit much. I hate dogs' legs and milk runs in transit; buses are normally slow enough as it is.

It's also 1 km between Jane and the rail corridor.

So it's fair to put Jane back on the list of essential stops.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

From the latest report (see link), I looked closely at the roadways. I asked them at the meeting that it looks like the buses will use the road leading to Eglinton Avenue as an exit only (judging by the lane arrows). They say, "Yes", that the buses may have to use Black Creek Drive and Photography Drive as an entrance because the other road is too narrow for two way bus traffic. That road would only be used by the buses to egress to Eglinton Avenue West.

This could mean a big increase in travel time for buses to enter the Mt. Dennis Station bus terminal. It will not be 5+ minutes for the Jane buses, but more like 8+ minutes. Judging by the traffic jams currently on Black Creek Drive, it'll be more like 10+ minutes.

They should consider widening that road from Eglinton, to reduce travel time for the buses.

 

[Steve X]

Isn't Jane Rocket ridership going to plummet once York University subway extension opens though?

No. People taking the 35/195 aren't destine to be downtown. Majority of the ridership is actually between Finch and Eglinton. Only 10% or so use it to York U and those students won't take the bus from the west end eastbound to the Spadina line just to have it run NW to York U. I don't expect the 35/195 ridership to change much.

So according to google maps, we would be looking at ~5 minute detour, which is a bit much. I hate dogs' legs and milk runs in transit; buses are normally slow enough as it is.

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It's also 1 km between Jane and the rail corridor.

So it's fair to put Jane back on the list of essential stops.

Weston Rd is really bad in PM rush hour. Jane is already bad enough. Putting the two together makes it even worst. That section of Jane is really smooth and to remove that with a detour makes the route worst than it is already. They should definitely keep the Jane stop and build a bus terminal there. Keep the 35 split at Eglinton and run the 195 down to Bloor. This will fix up all the reliability problems south of Eglinton while running slightly less buses as ridership is lower. Even without a stop, there will still be delays from that intersection. The signal timing is just too difficult for them to give total transit priority without railway gate barriers.

 

[innsertnamehere]

IIRC it will not go via weston road, but via Eglinton both there and back. And it goes to the Photography Drive bus terminal, not the pedestrian entrance to Mount Dennis station at Weston Road.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

IIRC it will not go via weston road, but via Eglinton both there and back. And it goes to the Photography Drive bus terminal, not the pedestrian entrance to Mount Dennis station at Weston Road.

To get to Photography Drive, the buses will have to travel east to Black Creek Drive, turn right onto Black Creek Drive to get to Photography Drive, turning right to get to the bus terminal at Mount Dennis Station.

Exiting the bus terminal, the buses would travel south to the first street (Keelesdale Road), turning left they'll then turn left onto the former two-way street that would now be a one-way street north. There would be two lanes, one for right turns and one for left turns. Buses would be allowed to turn left to go westbound on Eglinton on a new traffic light, other motorists (non-transit) would only allowed turn right or eastbound.

Unless they widen Keelesdale Road for an extra lane for the buses to enter, keeping it as a two-way street. Hopefully, they will widen it.

 

[Rainforest]

At $280 million/km, we already are getting a light rail line at the cost of a subway on Eglinton.

I think that's still quite a bit cheaper than a full-fledged subway. SSE is pushing $500 million/km, despite having no intermediate stations and only one topological challenge (Highland Creek).

Furthermore, if Eglinton West is built mostly on surface, the average cost should go down.

 

[Rainforest]

Surface LRT lines don't have to adhere to a single, city-wide stop spacing standard.

Finch West may be just fine with the currently planned stop spacing, about 670 m on average. Residents of North Etobicoke traveling to jobs or for other reasons will likely outnumber Humber College students traveling from Finch West subway to the college. Then, cutting local stops isn't beneficial.

If Eglinton West is going to see higher proportion of riders traveling end to end, between the Mt Dennis RER station (or Eglinton West subway station) and the Airport lands, then a wider stop spacing is appropriate. Perhaps it would be 1 km or 1.5 km on average, with a parallel local bus.

Even for Eglinton West, I wouldn't want to cut major connection stops such as Islington or Royal York. Losing such connections kind of defeats the purpose of building fast transit lines.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Surface LRT lines don't have to adhere to a single, city-wide stop spacing standard.

Finch West may be just fine with the currently planned stop spacing, about 670 m on average. Residents of North Etobicoke traveling to jobs or for other reasons will likely outnumber Humber College students traveling from Finch West subway to the college. Then, cutting local stops isn't beneficial.

If Eglinton West is going to see higher proportion of riders traveling end to end, between the Mt Dennis RER station (or Eglinton West subway station) and the Airport lands, then a wider stop spacing is appropriate. Perhaps it would be 1 km or 1.5 km on average, with a parallel local bus.

Even for Eglinton West, I wouldn't want to cut major connection stops such as Islington. Losing such connections kind of defeats the purpose of building fast transit lines.

With discount fares between the TTC and UPX coming in January, if people want to get to the airport fast, they'll use UPX. If they want to save $$$, they'll use the Eglinton Crosstown West LRT, which would be not that fast.

 

[Rainforest]

With discount fares between the TTC and UPX coming in January, if people want to get to the airport fast, they'll use UPX. If they want to save $$$, they'll use the Eglinton Crosstown West LRT, which would be not that fast.

I see your point. But, LRT will serve the employment areas in addition to the terminals; UPX doesn't go there.

 

[adrianaliu]

Surface LRT lines don't have to adhere to a single, city-wide stop spacing standard.

Finch West may be just fine with the currently planned stop spacing, about 670 m on average. Residents of North Etobicoke traveling to jobs or for other reasons will likely outnumber Humber College students traveling from Finch West subway to the college. Then, cutting local stops isn't beneficial.

If Eglinton West is going to see higher proportion of riders traveling end to end, between the Mt Dennis RER station (or Eglinton West subway station) and the Airport lands, then a wider stop spacing is appropriate. Perhaps it would be 1 km or 1.5 km on average, with a parallel local bus.

Even for Eglinton West, I wouldn't want to cut major connection stops such as Islington or Royal York. Losing such connections kind of defeats the purpose of building fast transit lines.

I agree with this totally except 1.5 km is too wide, stop at every arterial for bus route transfers. n/s concession roads in etobicoke are 1 km apart. LRT as a technology is so flexible and we should be taking full advantage of it, not all LRT lines in toronto have to be the same and eglinton will be a great demonstration of the ways lrt can operate (as a sort of express surface route in the east, underground like a subway in the middle, and then a quick rail line on the surface on the west).

 

[EastYorkTTCFan]

Construction has begun on the tempory bus terminal a few months past when Metrolinx and the TTC announced the start of it. It will be interesting to see how long it takes for it to go up and how it will be used. My guess from the looks of the placement of it. I assume it will function much how Pape satin did before it was renovated.