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TheTigerMaster said:
The bulk of criticism directed towards LRT comes from drivers concerned about losing traffic lanes (war on cars), which target intersection grade separations doesn't do much to address. Something tells me that the Rob Fords of the world will continue to whine about LRT, with or without the targeted separations.
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Dismissing the people's concerns with the road median streetcar model as just a bunch of divers making noise or the 'Rob Fords of the world' is a huge part of problem.

TheTigerMaster said:
The LRT will be as fast or faster than our subway network.
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Even the Crosstown website (which is a is an advertising tool) claiming the opposite... So much stubbornness from both sides in the LRT-Subway conflict.
 
TheTigerMaster said:
The LRT will be as fast or faster than our subway network. If that’s not fast enough for you, then I don’t know what is.
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Our subway network is slow as balls currently.

Maybe will be better with ATC, but right now, our subways crawling speeds are not something I would wish upon a new transit system.
 
robmausser said:
Our subway network is slow as balls currently.

Maybe will be better with ATC, but right now, our subways crawling speeds are not something I would wish upon a new transit system.
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Our metro system operates at 30 km/h, which is fairly standard for metro systems globally. For reference, the London Underground operates at roughly the same speed.

ATC won’t make it any faster.
 
Avenue said:
Even the Crosstown website (which is a is an advertising tool) claiming the opposite... So much stubbornness from both sides in the LRT-Subway conflict.
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That website is almost certainly talking about the Eglinton Crosstown LRT, and not the Eglinton West LRT. These are two separate projects. The Eglinton West LRT travels between Pearson Airport and Mt Dennis, while the Eglinton Crosstown LRT travels between Mt Dennis and Kennedy.
 
The surface LRT will have an average speed of 27km/h IIRC. The Bloor Danforth line is around 30km/h through it's central portion where there are a ton of stations.. but the latest subway extensions average closer to 40km/h with the further stop spacing.
 
innsertnamehere said:
The surface LRT will have an average speed of 27km/h IIRC. The Bloor Danforth line is around 30km/h through it's central portion where there are a ton of stations.. but the latest subway extensions average closer to 40km/h with the further stop spacing.
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Line 2 Bloor Danforth has a planned service speed of approximately 30.5 to 32 km/h

Line 1 has a planned service speed of about 28 to 31 km/h

Eglinton West LRT has a planned service speed of 28 to 31 km/h

https://swanboatsteve.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/service_summary_2015_01_04.pdf


http://thecrosstown.ca/sites/defaul...l-design-options-sections-2.1-through-2-6.pdf
 
TheTigerMaster said:
Torontonians Strongly Support Eglinton West LRT

Across Toronto:
At-grade LRT: 60% support, 13% oppose
Subway: 49% support, 23% oppose
Targeted separations: 59% support, 14% oppose

In Etobicoke-York:
At-grade LRT: 67% support, 8% oppose
Subway: 48% support, 22% oppose
Targeted separations: 59% support, 12% oppose
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More than anything, I’m stunned by the low opposition to the project. Certain Etobicoke councillors seem to have greatly overestimated how much their constituents would oppose this project.

I feel like a decade ago, there would’ve been a lot more opposition.
 
TheTigerMaster said:
More than anything, I’m stunned by the low opposition to the project. Certain Etobicoke councillors seem to have greatly overestimated how much their constituents would oppose this project.

I feel like a decade ago, there would’ve been a lot more opposition.
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The results felt like dog's breakfast - I am not sure if they are indicative of anything other than a general "more transit, good, but that's because I don't know the price tag of the different options on the offer".

AoD
 
The latest subway extension averages 43km/h, presuming a 12 minute travel time, which I believe is what they have stated it will be for Sheppard West to VMC.
 
AlvinofDiaspar said:
The results felt like dog's breakfast - I am not sure if they are indicative of anything other than a general "more transit, good, but that's because I don't know the price tag of the different options on the offer".

AoD
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It looks like they did mention the price tag in the polling question. Nevertheless, I’d agree that the public just wants something to be built. And I suspect the public doesn’t know any detailed information on the proposal.
 
TheTigerMaster said:
Line 2 Bloor Danforth has a planned service speed of approximately 30.5 to 32 km/h

Line 1 has a planned service speed of about 28 to 31 km/h

Eglinton West LRT has a planned service speed of 28 to 31 km/h

https://swanboatsteve.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/service_summary_2015_01_04.pdf


http://thecrosstown.ca/sites/defaul...l-design-options-sections-2.1-through-2-6.pdf
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Curiously, the Line 2 night bus runs faster than the subway does. Amazing how fast buses can go when you don’t have pesky cars in their way.
 
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