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TransitBart said:
Finch West runs through the same Ford Nation territory several km to the north. Why then are people questioning whether it will remain on plan?
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Because Eglinton West would be a subway (i.e. grade-separated) and Finch would be a streetcar (i.e. LRT).
At least one Councillor is vehemently opposed to the on-street LRT.
 
Finch is funded by the province. So Doug could cut that funding.

Eglinton West is not funded by the Province. Doug has little or no control over whether Toronto funds it.

- Paul
 
crs1026 said:
Finch is funded by the province. So Doug could cut that funding.

Eglinton West is not funded by the Province. Doug has little or no control over whether Toronto funds it.

- Paul
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Tory needs Fords support for funding. Ford needs Torys support for absolutely nothing and he will have a lot of leverage when they work out their deal for the City. There no certainty aside from the fact non grade separated LRT wont survive unless there is no reasonable way out. Even then
 
OneCity said:
Tory needs Fords support for funding. Ford needs Torys support for absolutely nothing and he will have a lot of leverage when they work out their deal for the City. There no certainty aside from the fact non grade separated LRT wont survive unless there is no reasonable way out. Even then
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We don’t need a US vs Canada Trade War.
 
Leo_Chan said:
We don’t need a US vs Canada Trade War.
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Really has zero to do with Ontarios transit? There is no possible war when the Conservative have a majority and Tory is a centrist Mayors. These two will talk and barter like any other Mayor and Premier and these two are not far off on Transit. Tory just needs Smarttrack (RER) and to see projects moving forward and really wont be an obstructionist to Fords mandate for subways. It will be interesting to see what they agree upon as there is a lot up in the air, including part of this line and the extensions.
 
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TransitBart said:
Finch West runs through the same Ford Nation territory several km to the north. Why then are people questioning whether it will remain on plan?
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Finch West LRT has long been criticized by the local Ward Councillors Mammoliti and Crisanti, both staunch Ford loyalists. It's as if the LRT's being shoved down their constituents' throats by downtown elitists whom randomly selected Finch as a virtue signalling exercise towards throwing the poor out in Jane-Finch and Rexdale a bone.

By the TTC's own projections, Finch West doesn't warrant LRT, the ridership's too low.

But alternatives like using the hydro corridor as right-of-way or even an express limited stop bus right across Finch West has never been fully explored. Mississauga's Transitway uses buses and it's far removed from population centres yet it's highly popular and well used. Toronto would be wise to borrow ideas from other jurisdictions before throwing $1.5 billion down the drain on a gold-plated LRT line to nowhere.
 
Hopkins123 said:
By the TTC's own projections, Finch West doesn't warrant LRT, the ridership's too low.
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And this is why the TTC and Metrolinx' capacity requirements for LRT and subway technology are total bullsh!t. When you have a line serving 40K+ passengers a day over 10 km, something is already fairly high, but when you factor in the fact that the corridor sees a bus less than every 2 minutes at peak hours, traffic problems are horrendous.
 
Streety McCarface said:
And this is why the TTC and Metrolinx' capacity requirements for LRT and subway technology are total bullsh!t. When you have a line serving 40K+ passengers a day over 10 km, something is already fairly high, but when you factor in the fact that the corridor sees a bus less than every 2 minutes at peak hours, traffic problems are horrendous.
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Dufferin has similar ridership numbers as Finch West; and Finch East exceeds Finch West in terms of ridership. Where's those corridors gold-plated superfluous LRT lines?

And what impact has the newly opened Finch West subway station had on crosstown travel across Finch West from Humberwood to Yonge? It's probably too soon to assume it hasn't had a positive effect, especially now that the route is deliberately split at Keele now into separate branches.

My point is, nothing other than the David Miller era LRT line has been pursued all this time, close to a decade, as a way out for Finch West commuters, when a world of other alternatives could have been at least given some consideration. This has been more about social engineering than actually helping commuters. For instance, right now, today the 199 could extend right across to Humberwood but yet it doesn't. Ponder on that!
 
Hopkins123 said:
But alternatives like using the hydro corridor as right-of-way or even an express limited stop bus right across Finch West has never been fully explored.
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The hydro corridor doesn't go to Rexdale. Just west of Hwy 400, it veers south-west and heads towards Dixon Rd.

In order to reach Rexdale / Albion Mall / Humber College, the line has to use the Finch Avenue proper.

Hopkins123 said:
Dufferin has similar ridership numbers as Finch West; and Finch East exceeds Finch West in terms of ridership. Where's those corridors gold-plated superfluous LRT lines?
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Finch East LRT is a logical extension of Finch West LRT, and one day both may be built forming a new crosstown route. We have to start somewhere, and there is nothing wrong with starting in the west.

By the way, Finch East has a relatively tight section between Yonge and Don Mills; I wouldn't rule out the use of hydro corridor running north of Finch to bypass that particular section.

Dufferin is quite narrow from Exhibition and all they way to just north of Eglinton. It is a 4-lane road, but with no space for left-turn lanes, and houses sitting very close to the road. There is no way a suburban style LRT, 4 general traffic lanes + 2 light-rail lanes, would fit there.

If a grade-separate transit is ever built on Dufferin, it would be either tunneled and very costly, or it would be a 1+1 lane in each direction design similar to what the city is trying to establish on King these days. In the latter case, Dufferin would effectively turn into a street open for local traffic only.
 
Hopkins123 said:
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But alternatives like using the hydro corridor as right-of-way or even an express limited stop bus right across Finch West has never been fully explored. Mississauga's Transitway uses buses and it's far removed from population centres yet it's highly popular and well used. Toronto would be wise to borrow ideas from other jurisdictions before throwing $1.5 billion down the drain on a gold-plated LRT line to nowhere.
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The hydro corridor was explored during the very early days of Transit City back in 2007 and was rejected.
 
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