Amare said:
I agree with the chatter that Kingsbridge should have an LRT stop. After all, if Metrolinx idiotically decided that Ionview (between Birchmount and Kennedy), and Hakimi/Lebovic (between Birchmount and Warden) in Toronto with the Crosstown should have stops, I dont see why Kingsbridge in Mississauga doesnt warrant one.
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Crosstown inherits the Transit City design done by the TTC beforehand which had stops there as no nearby bus service would serve those intersection. Miway would likely retain bus service on Kingsbridge/Elia, the area would still have some sort of bus service without a stop. Although ML has the final say, I would think the city and local community didn't push for it. I also don't think a stop at Ionview and Hakimi/Lebovic would add that much time to the line as trains would have to slow down and possibly wait while approaching the intersection. Unless they remove the traffic light and block off the medium, there won't be any major time savings.

Since the whole point of these LRT lines is to target local travels, Ionview, Hakimi/Lebovic and Kingsbridge should all deserve stops as they are located at signalized intersections and ~500m apart. The Lake Shore streetcar would be overkill with stops every 200m in midblock. That would be slowing down service for no good reason.
 
Theres basically two types of LRT system in terms of service, a streetcar-like local all stops service, like ION, Finch, and the metro-like RT of the O-Train, Crosstown (underground)

Its clear that this Hurontario system, with its streetrunning and small stations, is the former.

Its meant to serve a lot of areas, not be an express service.

So I think a stop at Kingsbridge is acceptable within the model of the Hurontario system.
 
robmausser said:
Theres basically two types of LRT system in terms of service, a streetcar-like local all stops service, like ION, ...
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Now that's just funny. If you treat every pair of ION stops in the directional sections as a single stop then there are 16 stops for a 19 km route, so over 1 km apart on average. If that's a "local all stops service" streetcar then what's your description of an express?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_rapid_transit#/media/File:ION_LRT_map.svg
 
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Light rail and subway/metro have similar stop spacing. Usually 500m to 1km. 500m spacing is common for TTC subway, for New York City. Of course NYC subway has express too but the system is mainly local, the stops are close together. And they have to be given the high density otherwise the stations would be too crowded. Elia/Kingsbridge should get the same treatment.

ION has some stops spaced ~500m apart too. Non-local or "Express" is stops spaced around 2km or more, usually skipping 2 or 3 local stops. That's closer to commuter rail.
 
i actually quite like the stop spacing overall on this line, i find that most of the toronto lrts have unnessecary midblock stops. but kingsbridge/elia def justifies a stop, the eglinton stop should have been moved to the north side of eglinton.
 
adrianaliu said:
i actually quite like the stop spacing overall on this line, i find that most of the toronto lrts have unnessecary midblock stops. but kingsbridge/elia def justifies a stop, the eglinton stop should have been moved to the north side of eglinton.
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Without midblock stops, there will be reduced development there. It defeats the purpose of the LRT in the first place. The proposed Golden Mile redevelopment plan wouldn't be as grand if half the units are over 15 minutes any stops.
 
You can look at DART LRT in Dallas and see what happens they build too much for longer distance travel. It's too much like commuter rail, too reliant on park-and-ride, the ridership is terrible.

We want higher density, and higher density means shorter distances. Wider space between stops to the point of ignoring high density neighbourhoods like Kingsbridge/Elia doesn't seem like what LRT is about.

I thought it was odd also that they eliminated the Elizabeth station but maybe that was just technical reasons.

I think if you guys want less stops, then probably Mineola station should be your target. Maybe it would be better to have stops at Queensway and North Service instead of Paisley and Sherobee if there was no Mineola station. To have both North Service and Mineola stations is just overkill. Mineola is only 500m from Port Credit station too. Is it more justified than Kingsbridge/Elia? That part of Hurontario will be served the 14 bus regardless so there would be no need to add extra bus service make up for the lack of a LRT station.
 
Steve X said:
Without midblock stops, there will be reduced development there. It defeats the purpose of the LRT in the first place. The proposed Golden Mile redevelopment plan wouldn't be as grand if half the units are over 15 minutes any stops.
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I'm sure Lebovic on the Crosstown could have been removed and the Golden Mile plans would have remained exactly the same. 15 minutes is a 1300 m walk. No one is suggesting making the stops that far apart.
 
adrianaliu said:
i actually quite like the stop spacing overall on this line, i find that most of the toronto lrts have unnessecary midblock stops. but kingsbridge/elia def justifies a stop, the eglinton stop should have been moved to the north side of eglinton.
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Isn't the stop already on the north side of Eglinton?
 
Contract Awarded for Hurontario LRT
October 21, 2019
18-kilometre, 19-stop light rail system to be completed in 2024
MISSISSAUGA - Infrastructure Ontario (IO) and Metrolinx have awarded a contract valued at $4.6 billion to Mobilinx Hurontario General Partnership (Mobilinx) for the Hurontario LRT. The contract requires Mobilinx to design, build, finance, operate and maintain the new transit project for a 30-year term.
The contract, adjusted for inflation, reflects payments during construction, a substantial completion payment and monthly service payments during the 30-year operations and maintenance period.
The Mobilinx team includes:
  • Applicant Lead: John Laing Investments Limited, Astaldi Canada Enterprises Inc., Hitachi Rail STS S.p.A., Transdev North America Inc., Amico Concessions Inc., Salini Impregilo Canada Holding Inc.
  • Construction: Astaldi Canada Design & Construction Inc., Hitachi Rail STS Canada Inc., Amico Infrastructures Inc., Bot Infrastructure Ltd., Salini Impregilo Civil Works Inc.
  • Design: IBI Group Professional Services (Canada) Inc., Hitachi Rail STS S.p.A., Morrison Hershfield, Arcadis Canada Inc., Daoust Lestage Inc., Exp Services Inc.
  • Operation Maintenance & Rehabilitation Provider: Transdev Services Canada Inc., Hitachi Rail STS Canada Inc., Astaldi Canada Enterprises Inc., Salini Impregilo S.p.A.
  • Financial Advisor: National Bank, HSBC
At the peak of construction, Mobilinx estimates that approximately 800 jobs will be created.
Design work will begin immediately with construction to follow. Mobilinx anticipates completion of the LRT in Fall 2024.
The selection of Mobilinx is the result of an open, fair and competitive procurement process overseen by a third-party fairness monitor.
Metrolinx and IO are delivering the Hurontario LRT via a public-private partnership (P3) contract which transfers the appropriate risks to the private sector. While the LRT will be operated and maintained by Mobilinx, it will remain publicly owned by Metrolinx.
For more information, visit Infrastructure Ontario and Metrolinx.
Contacts:
Lisa Campeotto
Infrastructure Ontario
416-452-0165
lisa.campeotto@infrastructureontario.ca
Metrolinx
416-202-5859
mediarelations@metrolinx.com
 
New renderings from the IO page:

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Hurontario_LRT_Mississauga_City_Centre_Rathburn_Rendering.png
 
Imagine coming south and wanting to get off at Robert Speck, but having to take the side-trip to the Square One terminal? It would feel like such a tease when the stop you want is....right...there.... I wonder if they'll run any trains that skip Square One.

Happy to see it moving forward though.
 
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