thettctransitfanatic
Senior Member
March 22
Sad look at Russell Yard
These days, if you get pics at Russell anytime other then nighttime, looks like that. Quite sad that it has become like that, but the CLRVs and ALRVs weren't gonna last forever...
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These days, if you get pics at Russell anytime other then nighttime, looks like that. Quite sad that it has become like that, but the CLRVs and ALRVs weren't gonna last forever...
Monarch Butterfly
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thettctransitfanatic
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Reminiscent of the PCC graveyard at Wychwood
From link.
(With buses having to be replaced every 12 to 14 years, they happen much more often with buses.)
Although the TTC bus fleet has lasted a bit longer then that, up to 18 in some cases.
Monarch Butterfly
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drum118
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There has been a number of old PCC cars used as restaurants and other things. One was on Steeles Ave E, east of 404 for years and gone now. One is on Hwy 6, south of 401 on the east side. One part of a restaurant at 89 & 10 or used to be.
Seen a few other locations, but no photos or remember where. No CLRV has made its way to anything, other than scrap that I know of considering they only started to be scrap a few years ago.
thettctransitfanatic
Senior Member
It would have to be a CLRV that went through the rebuilding program and has a body that won't fall apart that would be a candidate for this type of preveservation.
That would be correct. All that have been retired are ones that were beyond fixing obviously, and we cannot forget that.
Monarch Butterfly
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As a "new" building, they probably wouldn't pass the current "building codes".
thettctransitfanatic
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We are now down to 70-80 CLRVs. By September the plan is to fully convert the 501L. Around that time it's predicted there will only be 50 left. Then by January both the 511, and of course the 506 will be fully converted to Flexity. At least if all the Flexities are here by January
dowlingm
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4603 might be here in January but recall that the welding programme will keep several out of the picture for the next few years (I think seven are offsite at present?), plus who knows when 4401 will return, or 4471/4478 from Kanona. Add crash and other tricky repairs and the pool is going to be more like 190 cars for a while, minus those in routine repairs/checks.
TransitBart
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And thus we are bustituting or tearing out tracks for which streetcars do not exist.
Streety McCarface
Senior Member
Talked to some people at Halton today, there is absolutely no consensus between what cars will be saved, some saying that the museum will get none, while others saying they'll get 4 and the TTC will keep a further 3. Apparently, the big thing that's preventing cars from being stored now is the lack of a new barn at Halton, which they are a decade behind in funding. Assuming they had/will get the space to store streetcars, the goal is to obtain 4 streetcars altogether (3 of which at least will be donated). Of these, 1 will be an ALRV (static, cannot run along the existing tracks or through their loops, and there are no plans to increase their size), 1 will be an original CLRV for operations, 1 will be a UTDC built CLRV for operations, and 1 will be a UTDC built CLRV for parts.
Some have stated that the TTC will likely save 3 cars for future charters and parades, these being an ALRV (if they can get the air pressure systems working), an original CLRV, and a UTDC built CLRV.
Whether any of this happens or not remains to be seen, but if you want to ensure that Halton has room for some CLRVs/ALRVs, I would encourage you to donate to the museum to ensure that they will have the room to store them in the future.
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Some have stated that the TTC will likely save 3 cars for future charters and parades, these being an ALRV (if they can get the air pressure systems working), an original CLRV, and a UTDC built CLRV.
Whether any of this happens or not remains to be seen, but if you want to ensure that Halton has room for some CLRVs/ALRVs, I would encourage you to donate to the museum to ensure that they will have the room to store them in the future.
Donations
General General donations contribute towards the General Maintenance and day-to-day operations of the museum. Planned Giving Planned Giving is available to anyone who would like to give something back to the museum and create a legacy to support the initiatives they care about...
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thettctransitfanatic
Senior Member
Talked to some people at Halton today, there is absolutely no consensus between what cars will be saved, some saying that the museum will get none, while others saying they'll get 4 and the TTC will keep a further 3. Apparently, the big thing that's preventing cars from being stored now is the lack of a new barn at Halton, which they are a decade behind in funding. Assuming they had/will get the space to store streetcars, the goal is to obtain 4 streetcars altogether (3 of which at least will be donated). Of these, 1 will be an ALRV (static, cannot run along the existing tracks or through their loops, and there are no plans to increase their size), 1 will be an original CLRV for operations, 1 will be a UTDC built CLRV for operations, and 1 will be a UTDC built CLRV for parts.
Some have stated that the TTC will likely save 3 cars for future charters and parades, these being an ALRV (if they can get the air pressure systems working), an original CLRV, and a UTDC built CLRV.
Whether any of this happens or not remains to be seen, but if you want to ensure that Halton has room for some CLRVs/ALRVs, I would encourage you to donate to the museum to ensure that they will have the room to store them in the future.
Donations
General General donations contribute towards the General Maintenance and day-to-day operations of the museum. Planned Giving Planned Giving is available to anyone who would like to give something back to the museum and create a legacy to support the initiatives they care about...
That makes a lot of sense. I think can already sense what units might end be saved, based on what ones are still around. It will be a challenge for both TTC and HCRR to get them working especially the ALRVs, but it'll pay off at the end for nostalgia reasons.
thettctransitfanatic
Senior Member
ALRV 4204 is now at Halton County and ALRV 4207 is to be preserved by TTC. As for the CLRVs, 24 left that are considered active, but 17 at most on weekdays, usually 6 on 506 and 12 on 511. On weekends number is much higher.
mdrejhon
Senior Member
What's the pantograph conversion status?
Once the TTC streetcar network is fully converted to pantographs, what will happen to the museum vehicle fleet? The Peter Witt, etc. Will they be converted to pantographs, or will certain streetcar routes remain permanently trolleypole compatible?
P.S. I see Spadina exclusively using pantographs now, but trolleypoles everywhere on Queen.
Once the TTC streetcar network is fully converted to pantographs, what will happen to the museum vehicle fleet? The Peter Witt, etc. Will they be converted to pantographs, or will certain streetcar routes remain permanently trolleypole compatible?
P.S. I see Spadina exclusively using pantographs now, but trolleypoles everywhere on Queen.
AHK
Senior Member
Not a problem. Overheads which are pantograph ready also cope quite well with trolley poles. The section from Bathurst along Fleet Street through the streetcar track within the CNE grounds was, and continues to be used by both the pantograph equipped 509 cars and the pole equipped 511 cars. Summary - both pantograph and pole equipped cars can use overheads which have been upgraded for pantograph operations, but only pole equipped cars can use overheads which have not yet been upgraded.