[H4F33Z]

I'm curious to know if the train displays and train arrival signs will indicate the train will short turn at Laird.

For example: "Line 5 Eglinton to Laird."

Probably not, but it would be nice to not have to get off.

 

[Steve X]

Honestly it sounds to me like we are overthinking a solution to a problem that really doesn't exist, in a sense.

We don't need interchanges, street closures, etc.

Lets break down the root of the problem:

"LRT needs to stop at light"

Thats the only issue here, that a streetcar needs to stop at the intersection.

So, what do we want to solve"

"LRT doesnt need to stop at light"

Well, we always want to find the easiest solution to a problem, not the hardest.

The easiest solution is as such:

"Put signal priority in place that never allows Eglinton lights to turn red when LRT is X distance from lights, and turn Eglinton lights green if red and LRT approaching"

This can all be solved by proper signal priority.

This is 100% a government legislation and bureaucracy issue. We need to change the structure of our city government so that the Toronto Transportation Authority cannot be making decisions that negatively affect a provincial project.

Where is the province on this? They seem to be ok with screwing with our wards and trying to steal our subway system. But when something actually negatively affects us here, where are they?

I agree they should have done more but it's not as easily to set the lights to green whenever a train approaches, especially when they have to take in account of left turn phases.

First of all, the light would have to be green well in advanced of a train's approach. Maybe 10-15 sec. to give the operator enough time to break in case it doesn't turn green and for left turning vehicles to clear the intersection. A 60m train would need 8 seconds to pass through a 30m wide intersection at 50 km/h. If it's slower, than 10-15 sec. That would put the average green time at ~25 sec. When they increase the train length to 90m, they'll need 50% more time. Now if the train in the opposite direction approaches the intersection once this train clears, they'll have to keep the green signal for over one minute. They would also have to take in account of the gap time between the two directions. They can't give green time to the side street for 15 sec cause another train is approaching. Pedestrians can't cross the road.

To what point is it acceptable? The more priority for the LRT, the more everything else would suffer. It'll take people a lot smarter than this city's traffic department to figure this one out.

Although they should never have to make a train wait for a side street and don't activate advanced green with a LRV waiting. They can wait another cycle.

Even without priority, proper green wave timing using estimated dwelling time at each stations and average travel time could significantly reduce hitting a red signal and even have the peak direction receiving all green signals if the operator drives according to schedule. Even if a train gets caught on a red, it should push the train to the next green wave and should hit a string of reds. This will really depend on how well the city can time the signals according to the service period (AM, midday, night, etc) and would need to be tweaked regularly. Excess dwelling at every station would lead to missing every green.

 

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[H4F33Z]

So Caledonia gets a bus loop but not Laird?

 

[Steve X]

So Caledonia gets a bus loop but not Laird?

It was planned from the start that the 47 would connect to Caledonia Station with a bus loop which is 200m west of the actual road. The idea of a bus route terminating at Laird was not in the initial plan. Unlike Line 2, there is barely any bus terminals at all.

 

[NoahB]

"Crosslinx Transit Solutions, Metrolinx’s builder responsible for bringing the Crosstown project to life, is not building the Caledonia GO station. Construction on that will start after the Crosstown is complete. "

I guess no Go station connection there until years after the Crosstown opens...

 

[urbanyimby]

"Crosslinx Transit Solutions, Metrolinx’s builder responsible for bringing the Crosstown project to life, is not building the Caledonia GO station. Construction on that will start after the Crosstown is complete. "

I guess no Go station connection there until years after the Crosstown opens...

You can read more about Caledonia GO here

 

[Streety McCarface]

So Caledonia gets a bus loop but not Laird?

It'll have a bus loop but no fare paid area...Figures

It was planned from the start that the 47 would connect to Caledonia Station with a bus loop which is 200m west of the actual road. The idea of a bus route terminating at Laird was not in the initial plan. Unlike Line 2, there is barely any bus terminals at all.

Add Fairbank/Oakland (depending on where the 90 terminates) and Chaplain to the list of stations that should have gotten terminals.

 

[Steve X]

It'll have a bus loop but no fare paid area...Figures

Add Fairbank/Oakland (depending on where the 90 terminates) and Chaplain to the list of stations that should have gotten terminals.

It'ls like Old Mill station, a bus loop and an entrance. Fare paid zone isn't a good idea for these small loops anyways, people walk in easily. I believe Keelesdale is in a similar case. Only Mt Dennis and Science Centre are getting fare paid zone bus terminals.

The 90 is fine with it's own on street looping. Both the 14 and 90 doesn't warrant a bus loop. What Fairbanks should have gotten is bus bays for the 29. It looks like they'll just stop in traffic lane without any queuing lane.

 

[jordanmkasla2009]

Until a traffic accident occurs at Leslie and Eglinton, shutting down the Crosstown Line at rush hour, of course.

And to those who say it happens rarely enough so it is insignificant, well, it won't seem so insignificant once you cost out the delay in terms of lost working hours over thousands of affected passengers.

Also, there is a network issue here as well, as ideally you want trains double-turning at Don Mills, not Laird, especially with the future build-out of the Ontario Line.

If Left turns remain allowed at Leslie and Eglinton they will have to be during a fully protected left turn phase which would not be active while trains have permissive signals to travel through the intersection. In that case if you are turning left into an oncoming train you'd be running a red light.

 

[KevinT]

In that case if you are turning left into an oncoming train you'd be running a red light.

Lol. Which, as we know, hasn't stopped them in Kitchener.

 

[salsa]

The new staircase being built here will provide access to the Don Valley from Leslie & Eglinton.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

The new staircase being built here will provide access to the Don Valley from Leslie & Eglinton.


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Will it include runnels?

From link.

From link.

 

[Towered]

Will it include runnels?

From link.

From link.

LOL! You expect foresight from planners in Toronto?

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

LOL! You expect foresight from planners in Toronto?

Pedestrians, cyclists, the elderly, and the handicapped are afterthoughts for planners.