Midtown Urbanist
Superstar
I don't know. Toronto flip-flopped between two viable plans. Brampton rejected a fully funded plan in favour of nothing but a pointless NIMBY-induced pipe-dream.
Toronto is the preeminent city in the country and an integral part of the nation's economy, any level of government acting with disregard for Toronto does so to their own peril. Brampton on the other hand? Brampton should be cognizant of their relevance, or lack-there-of, to provincial or federal politicians, when pursuing the best interests of their citizens and deciding on rejecting provincial/federal $$$.
salsa
Senior Member
And we rejected both the fully funded SRT replacement and Sheppard LRT. And for what? So that some shitty Liberal MPs could win a by-election? Because Karen Stintz thought she'd have a shot at becoming mayor by being a Rob Ford copy-cat? If there's anything worse than Nimbyism, it's self-serving career politicians that are willing to screw up everything for their own self interest. So anyone who says that Brampton "does not deserve" LRT for what they did yet don't have the same to say about Toronto, is only doing so out of bias because they're not from Brampton, and therefore are not affected/interested by what goes on over there. That was my point.
Allandale25
Senior Member
If there's going to be a "Brampton rule", then what about Hamilton Council and how it dragged its feet at times on the Hamilton LRT after it got the same offer at the same time Brampton did in May 2015? Or the City of Ottawa? It also rejected an LRT plan. It's a slippery slope. I find it also to be a pretty boring debate to go back into the past and start trying to figure out who to assign blame to.
As you'll see from the timeline above, the decision on tunnel vs surface ($1.7B vs $400 million) will be recommended by staff in the first quarter of 2021. Depending on what Council goes with for its ask to the province/feds, that's certainly a legitimate debate point in the future. So I wouldn't want to give the impression that any municipality should be given an automatic bank cheque.
urbanyimby
Active Member
The thing is, Hurontario LRT extension is not on Metrolinx's radar anymore, and not in any of their official documents. Meaning it has slipped to 2040 and beyond. Given this fact, Provincial money should only be allocated to this project beyond 2040.
north-of-anything
Active Member
Brampton could just move their downtown to Steeles. They already have a bus terminal there, and it's not like anyone will notice.
drum118
Superstar
Not only that, but the mall lands are to be redeveloped for density. If you remove the other 3 corners of plazas and replace them with good developments, there is the new downtown Brampton.
The first coat of asphalt has been place where the medium was and waiting top coat.
City Centre Station area Zone 21
Allandale25
Senior Member
It's shown in the 2041 RTP and in the Advancing Transit Priorities February 2020 document. I agree it may not be an immediate priority, but it's also not completely out of their radar.
SaugeenJunction
Senior Member
Metrolinx builds what politicians tell it to. If Queen’s Park decided there was merit to build the extension, it could be back on Metrolinx’s radar tomorrow. The RTP is more of a vague guide rather than what will actually get built.
Wm Perkins Bull
Active Member
They could ask the province or federal government for funding, it doesn't change that the underground route would be even worse value for money than the Scarborough Subway
Project should be based on the merits of the project, and not punishing cities.
This link returns an error for me
Brampton's 20 year vision does include that
Allandale25
Senior Member
^ Apologies looks like the tweet was deleted. It was from the construction company hired to remove the medians.
Allandale25
Senior Member
Would be interesting to see that in chart form. Maybe when the City publishing the ridership data as part of the study process.
anb
Active Member
If brampton did move their downtown to Steeles that would be amazing. It already looks like it can be one with the mall, Sheridan college, brampton gateway and the development south of it on Hurontario before you get to the 407. If they built around a massive infrastructure around it, we could be looking at another city center
north-of-anything
Active Member
Allandale25
Senior Member
Upcoming Metrolinx Hurontario LRT virtual open house.
www.metrolinxengage.com
Taxonomy term
The Hurontario LRT is a light rail project that will bring 18 kilometers of smooth, fast, reliable rapid transit to Mississauga and Brampton along the Hurontario corridor.