[smallspy]

Yes, the geometry at Finch, with it's longer crossovers since it has a center platform, mean a longer headway, a side platform terminal station should have the crossovers beyond the station

Crossovers behind the station, unless their geometry is vastly different to those ahead of the station, won't help reduce headways on the line. They certainly won't at Finch, in any of its potential configurations.

Double crossovers as a general rule have a reasonably high minimum theoretical headway because no matter what you are going to have a number of different situations during the cycle where one train will tie up the entirety of the interlocking plant. There are other methods of turning trains that allow for far lower headways.

Dan

 

[drum118]

Sept 19
More up on site

Westbound Lanes Pave Hakim Ave To East Of O'Conner Dr only and waiting striping including Bike lane

Eastbound Track From O'Conner Dr To Pharmacy To Be Encased In Concrete

Golden Mile Westbound Station With Eastbound Track Being Encased In Concrete

Double Sided Transit Signals At each Intersections Per Direction Being Block By Pedestrian Crossing Light. Need the bar signals.

One signal pointing straight and the other on an angle for the LRV Driver

Grass only for 2 blocks from Golden Mile eastbound stop to Birchmount westbound stop

Do not cross sign posted here with wide concrete sidewalk mid block

Grass being water with 2 type of sprinklers

LRV must stop 10 seconds before traffic

Double sided transit signals at all traffic light intersections

Tracks being encased in Concrete west of Victoria Park

Victoria Park Station

 

[p_xavier]

Automatic sprinklers! That's actually a lot more than what I would have expected as the project was meant to cost cutting measures.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Sept 19
More up on site

Westbound Lanes Pave Hakim Ave To East Of O'Conner Dr only and waiting striping including Bike lane

Double Sided Transit Signals At each Intersections Per Direction Being Block By Pedestrian Crossing Light. Need the bar signals.

One signal pointing straight and the other on an angle for the LRV Driver

Grass only for 2 blocks from Golden Mile eastbound stop to Birchmount westbound stop

Grass being water with 2 type of sprinklers

LRV must stop 10 seconds before traffic

Double sided transit signals at all traffic light intersections

Why use "TRANSIT SIGNAL" and "LEFT TURN SIGNAL" verbage signs, when the rest of world have gone without them? The rest of the world uses transit specific special signals and red & yellow arrow signals, not Toronto.

Because Toronto's Transportation Department give priority to the almighty automobile, ahead of public transit, cyclists, and pedestrians.

 

[EnviroTO]

Grass only for 2 blocks from Golden Mile eastbound stop to Birchmount westbound stop

Wait, are you telling me that the whole project with 5.4km of LRT running at the surface in the middle of the road, only about 500m will get grass? I wonder if the RFP was written "project should have a green median between stops" and now they can mark this checkmark "complete".

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Wait, are you telling me that the whole project with 5.4km of LRT running at the surface in the middle of the road, only about 500m will get grass? I wonder if the RFP was written "project should have a green median between stops" and now they can mark this checkmark "complete".

Toronto's Transportation Department does not like trees, grass, shrubs, or anything "green".

 

[Irishmonk]

The absence of signal priority on this line is absolutely infuriating. Having a train with as many as 300 people on it stop for a red light, then again for the station a few seconds later is straight of bizarro land. Metrolinx is spending around 10B on this line and it's going to be severely compromised by....traffic lights? Too bad ML can't smack the city on the nose with a rolled up newspaper and tell it to smarten up.

 

[kamira51]

Sept 19
More up on site

Westbound Lanes Pave Hakim Ave To East Of O'Conner Dr only and waiting striping including Bike lane

Eastbound Track From O'Conner Dr To Pharmacy To Be Encased In Concrete

Golden Mile Westbound Station With Eastbound Track Being Encased In Concrete

Double Sided Transit Signals At each Intersections Per Direction Being Block By Pedestrian Crossing Light. Need the bar signals.

One signal pointing straight and the other on an angle for the LRV Driver

Grass only for 2 blocks from Golden Mile eastbound stop to Birchmount westbound stop

Do not cross sign posted here with wide concrete sidewalk mid block

Grass being water with 2 type of sprinklers

LRV must stop 10 seconds before traffic

Double sided transit signals at all traffic light intersections

Tracks being encased in Concrete west of Victoria Park

Victoria Park Station

Fantastic pictures, have you considered to take pictures of the finch west lrt?

 

[whatever]

Wait, are you telling me that the whole project with 5.4km of LRT running at the surface in the middle of the road, only about 500m will get grass? I wonder if the RFP was written "project should have a green median between stops" and now they can mark this checkmark "complete".

That's closer to 2km (less the stops and intersections), but your point is valid. But I can also understand not wanting to run the grass between Aga Khan and Victoria Park. I see the development potential and the hopes for what the Golden Mile can/might be, but that other chunk is much more limited in it's potential for an urban streetscape

 

[crs1026]

I am withholding any firm judgement until the miles of orange pylons and construction debris are gone…..but…. when I drive Eglinton East my gut reaction remains “ugh”, grass or no grass. It’s an ugly streetscape. I also find the OCS structure to be quite severe and overpowering….. surely there was a simpler and more elegant way to string those wires. Even the traffic control structures are overbuilt.
I’m glad to see any length of grass, especially when I know what a mind shift it has taken to get even a token amount injected into the City’s minds. But Eglinton is not shaping up as vibrant, yet. Let’s see a whole lot of tree planting, and a new built form that’s better than all those grubby commercial one-storey outlets.
At least we can now move a lot more people a lot faster….the stage is set for better things.

- Paul

 

[drum118]

Fantastic pictures, have you considered to take pictures of the finch west lrt?

I have and yet to do it as I cannot find the time to do it. I am anywhere between 4-14 months behind things I normal follow and shoot was starting to get back to monthly visit before the summer and it went out the window

That's closer to 2km (less the stops and intersections), but your point is valid. But I can also understand not wanting to run the grass between Aga Khan and Victoria Park. I see the development potential and the hopes for what the Golden Mile can/might be, but that other chunk is much more limited in it's potential for an urban streetscape

Regardless of redevelopment between 404 and Kennedy portal, there is no real reason why grass couldn't been use in place of concrete. New development will have no impact on the ROW other than add more riders to the line. In fact, there will be tons of new development in the coming year with a number of location already been approved or in the process to see construction around 2025. A lot of units will be rental which will have a faster start than condos.

As a note regarding the duel transit signals. This will be the first on many new lines where service will run on one track when work has to take place on one track or there is an issue on the line. Downside to this, the crossover are far apart that service headway will be about 4 time longer than normal.

Still at a lost why one track in the station is seeing concrete, not the other unless they haven't added the molding to the rail not seeing concrete at this time. Pure waste of money.

Other than timing adjustment require between transit and traffic lights compare what I was seeing, like ML tell use why transit must stop first than the other way around.

The only reason I can think of regarding the large concrete pad mid block that it setup for a future crosswalk or something is going to be place there. If none of these, lost as to why is it there and inviting pedestrians to cross there illegal and putting everyone life in danger.

 

[drum118]

I am withholding any firm judgement until the miles of orange pylons and construction debris are gone…..but…. when I drive Eglinton East my gut reaction remains “ugh”, grass or no grass. It’s an ugly streetscape. I also find the OCS structure to be quite severe and overpowering….. surely there was a simpler and more elegant way to string those wires. Even the traffic control structures are overbuilt.
I’m glad to see any length of grass, especially when I know what a mind shift it has taken to get even a token amount injected into the City’s minds. But Eglinton is not shaping up as vibrant, yet. Let’s see a whole lot of tree planting, and a new built form that’s better than all those grubby commercial one-storey outlets.
At least we can now move a lot more people a lot faster….the stage is set for better things.

- Paul

fully agree on the OS and structure.

The green we are seeing is a future to come

 

[kotsy]

I recall seeing that 60% of the surface section will have grass.

 

[EnviroTO]

I also find the OCS structure to be quite severe and overpowering….. surely there was a simpler and more elegant way to string those wires.

Yes, I don't understand why the catenary on Spadina south of front is so lightweight and clean that it almost blends into its surroundings while some of these structures are so massive and the wiring almost looks disorganized.

 

[superelevation]

It's unfortunate how far the bar has dropped when it comes to Toronto transit design.

We seem content to get whatever scraps we get (relatively speaking, of course). What happened to city building and pride in public infrastructure?

Hopefully the Ontario Line is revised and the stations are as grand as they should be.

Basic is fine, focus on extreme starchitect designed stuff when we don't have a massive shortfall of coverage, and the TYSSE shows what happens in Toronto when you aim higher too . . .

A clear indication the bar has fallen is that we consider the TYSSE stations 'opulent'. They should be the norm.

I don't mean that every single station needs to be large in size, but there should be a real investment in the public realm - especially for stations on the Ontario Line.

People are rarely in any given public area for a significant amount of time, yet I still believe a beautiful public realm has real impact and value.

Good public realm being tied to stations is probably not a good direction, we need to create frameworks such that it exists everywhere, station or not

These stations would look beautiful on the OL if the stations end up looking like these. From Metrolinx's Subway design standards pdf.

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Yep, clean and good looking, but not excessive.

The placement of the crossovers in front of or behind a station has absolutely zero bearing on the minimum headway that the system it capable of running. All of the same issues regarding speed of the crossovers and the amount of time spent occupying them remain.

Crossover geometry, signal circuit lengths, and clearance time all have a far larger factor in determining the minimum headway possible.

Dan

Actually not necessarily the case. . . .