Kosy123
Senior Member
If this is daily ridership, then that's absolutely insane. Monthly ridership doesn't seem to be this number, that would essentially mean 5,000-ish a day.
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MacLac
Senior Member
Is that a lot? 5,000/day is too much or too little?
Seamusmuldrew
Active Member
If that is daily I'd be really surprised because the capital line isn't even near that level according to the 2023 Q3 ridership report by the APTA ( https://www.apta.com/wp-content/uploads/2023-Q3-Ridership-APTA.pdf ). 5000/day also seems dismally low.
EdmTrekker
Senior Member
If you listened to the interview ETS is happy about the daily ridership - it was what they hoped for. If it stays at that level around 135,000 plus they will be well on target and increase frequency. Currently the train frequency is at Level 8 but they are increasing it next month towards a "train" in rush hour every 5 minutes. Whether that means 1, 2 3 or 4 or 5 cars was not discussed. Someone more knowledgeable will hopefully chime in and flesh that out in more detail.
EdmTrekker
Senior Member
The Report you reference does not break down by LRT Line on the last page of the PDF. It states at end of 3rd Qtr 2023 total LRT weekday ridership is 73,100 which excludes the new Valley line.
occidentalcapital
Senior Member
What is the passenger threshold to go from 8 to 9 in the P3 contract? That should tell you the current ridership.
Seamusmuldrew
Active Member
Yup that's correct, my point was that the current LRT service including Metro and Capital Lines had a ridership lower than 135,000 according to the APTA report which makes me think the figures given for the Valley line were monthly ridership numbers. It's possible the current actual ridership is higher since much of Q3 has lower student ridership, but the Q1 report shows 76,500 and Q2 shows 77,200 so I doubt it is much higher. I just said the Capital Line since that's where the bulk of the current ridership lies, apologies if that was confusing.
Avenuer
Senior Member
That seems quite low still compared to the pre-pandemic ridership which was consistently north of 100,000 iirc.
Fwiw the LRT between Stadium and Churchill looked packed this morning around 9 AM as I was biking along the shared use path, so I reckon 2024 numbers will be much higher than last year's for the Capital Line alone.
BrettB
Active Member
In 2019, the LRT ridership report shows average weekday boarding on the Metro and Capital lines of 113,000
Habibfazil
Active Member
A few years back Mayor Mandel clearly stated the job of transit was to move passengers.
Then somehow "developers" appeared and it became transit orientated development (TOD), makes you wonder eh?
occidentalcapital
Senior Member
Not following you. Transit oriented development is aligned with and arguably requires transit that focuses on good transportation.
If anything transit being more of a social service makes transit oriented development much less likely, since transit becomes an undesirable thing to have beside you rather than an amenity.
Habibfazil
Active Member
I was pointing out Mandell change in philosophy once developers were involved.
If ETS tries to do too much, be all things to all kinds, then nothing is done well, stick to 1 thing. Yes, old time thinking to some...
thommyjo
Senior Member
The classic “stick to one thing” is such a strawman tbh. That’s not intelligent. Imagine telling apple to just do iPhones and not macs, iOS, App Store, AirPods, Apple Music, etc.
Translink is the best example of a modern transit agency imo. They’re city builders. Not just bus operators. They’re thinking holistically about Development, housing, biking, retail, land use, etc.
Great organizations use integrated solutions. Transit can’t be good without great land use policy, especially with our current state of affairs in Edmonton. TOD is key to ridership growth here because many of our suburbs are permanently stuck being inefficient for transit and will likely never see transit use peak 10-15%. But our LRT lines, if well planned for TOD, could see 100k plus residents living above stations in the next few decades. That’s a huge win and takes more than “stick to one thing” thinking…
IanO
Superstar
^this.
Translink's integration and last two decades of work to be a more viable option (often primary) for far more Vancouverites has been incredibly impressive; I regularly use it when there.
Translink's integration and last two decades of work to be a more viable option (often primary) for far more Vancouverites has been incredibly impressive; I regularly use it when there.
occidentalcapital
Senior Member
Sorry how does this have anything to do with former mayor Mandel? (Who by the way was probably one of the greatest mayors we've ever had for actual city transformation)