[supplanter]

121st is a pretty important multi-use N/S link.

Calm it sure, but IMO it needs to be open to a variety of movement options.

It's not really that important for cars. The AAWDT (average annual weekday traffic) volumes sit around 2,500 vs. 12,000 on 116 St, 3,000 on 118 St, and 10,000-20,000 on 124 St.

 

[northlands]

Closing 121 to vehicle traffic would be great for The Jameson, but the owners of the site directly north (Neararctic?) would probably be a lot less enthused as it becomes accessible by rear alley only

And yeah Clearshades not sure if you're mistaking Paul Kane park for somewhere else but there are a lot of days where it's freaking packed. Bet it's one of the most utilized neighbourhood parks in the whole core.

 

[Vacs]

Haha I was just scrolling down wondering when IanO would pipe in to defend cars... and here it is.

I love this proposal and I don't see any real reason not to shut it down for cars. It's not an important north/south connector, come on. There is so little traffic on this street because basically all you can do is connect from Jasper to 104 Ave which you can do one block west or one block east (and virtually every other block).

Let's get this done. Ian can get that vibrancy feeling from his precious traffic elsewhere ;-)

I used 121 all the time to get from jasper to 104ave.

it was always busy.

 

[Didama]

Like Paul Kane is so busy that no one bothers to use it, so let us built another one to maintain that "non-usage" momentum.

You clearly don't spend any time at this park. I'm there daily (virtually) and I can tell you that it is a VERY busy park that definitely could use expansion.

 

[Tropical]

It's not really that important for cars. The AAWDT (average annual weekday traffic) volumes sit around 2,500 vs. 12,000 on 116 St, 3,000 on 118 St, and 10,000-20,000 on 124 St.

Where does one find this information?

 

[Gus Haynes]

The fact that Clearshades thinks that Paul Kane is used only for "dog runs" makes me think that Clearshades might be thinking of the wrong park entirely. Baffling comments.

 

[supplanter]

Where does one find this information?

Transportation Data | City of Edmonton

Traffic and transit trends are evaluated and monitored to help manage Edmonton's transportation network.

www.edmonton.ca

Got that info from the AAWDT volume map but there's also information on pedestrians, cyclists, collisions, etc.

 

[Barnaby]

I used 121 all the time to get from jasper to 104ave.

it was always busy.

Pre LRT. You won't be able to turn left onto 104th ave anymore with VLW construction. That intersection is being closed permanently.

Patterns have changed, and will change further after construction.

 

[Barnaby]

Closing 121 to vehicle traffic would be great for The Jameson, but the owners of the site directly north (Neararctic?) would probably be a lot less enthused as it becomes accessible by rear alley only

I'm sure the city would be willing to have discussions about activating a back alley like is somewhat planned for the Jameson already.

Whoever owns the land, I haven't seen them building anything, but they're welcome to come up with architectural solutions to what certain people see as a problem. Ultimately many buildings have accessible entrances on the front and rear. The Hendrix comes to mind as a building that could completely lose its front vehicle access without any consequences because of good design.

 

[IanO]

That's Narctic.

 

[Glenco]

Pre LRT. You won't be able to turn left onto 104th ave anymore with VLW construction. That intersection is being closed permanently.

Patterns have changed, and will change further after construction.

Really

 

[Barnaby]

Really
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I guess I was mistaken unless they've since changed it. I don't see the problem though, the tradeoffs are obviously worth it since they benefit the people spending time in the neighbourhood more than those just zipping through.

 

[Didama]

Think of the cars, Barnaby! Think of the cars! You can't expect them to take a block detour, that would be inhuman

 

[Tropical]

https://edifyedmonton.com/urban/structures/hate-bike-lanes-read-this-now/

Starting end of the year or early 2025.

 

[IanO]

For me, this is one of the most ideal locations for density and urban living given access to the valley, bike lanes, transit, grocery and amenity.