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goodcitywhenfinished
Active Member
where is the third line?
bpbpbpbp
New Member
I don't think that I'm the only one that thinks that the Ford government is getting ahead of itself, making plans and promises that it likely will not be able to implement, and anytime soon at that. I really think that they are politically capitalizing on people not knowing how drawn out things would be, how much money this would cost and when these lines would be open to riders.
These are all projects that I firmly do believe are needed, but the amounts of capital that would be needed to pull this off is just ludicrous. Further, negotiating with the freight railroads to build a Missing Link (that both CPKC and CN will use/share) will already cost so much, and take tons of environmental review, red tape, MONEY and assessment.
That being said, I'm curious to see what the estimates are of the government, if these promises are even kept (looking at you, GO in London), what the negotiations are like with CPKC and CN, and if we can see any results in the next two decades lol. Would absolutely love having the Halton unlocked for effective infinite GO service in Brampton and beyond, seeing the Milton Line truly flourish and seeing what can be done with Midtown, but I think having doubts is reasonable.
We still haven't seen the big wins from the meat and potatoes of GO expansion, ie. electrification, expanded service to places like Kitchener, proper double tracking, GO to Bowmanville, true 15 minute service.
What do you guys think?
Undead
Senior Member
Looks like it's the rerouted RH line.
Northern Light
Superstar
Here's the underlying press release for the maps above:
ontariopc.ca
From the above:
Only two new lines are noted in the above text. Mid-Town and Bolton.
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Edit to add, here's an enlarged version of the GO 2.0 Map:
Ha! The above shows no Bomanville extension!
Only Doug Ford and PCs Will Protect Ontario by Building GO 2.0
Transformational project will create new jobs and deliver high-quality regional transit across the Greater Golden Horseshoe Brampton, February 6, 2025 — Today, Ontario PC candidate Prabmeet Sarkaria was in Brampton to announce that a re-elected PC government will support the construction of GO...
ontariopc.ca
From the above:
Only two new lines are noted in the above text. Mid-Town and Bolton.
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Edit to add, here's an enlarged version of the GO 2.0 Map:
Ha! The above shows no Bomanville extension!
generalcanada
Senior Member
There is 1 thing you can give Dofo credit for. its being authoritarian when building transit. whether it be the ontario line, the train yard in the don valley or yonge north.
This is probably the best chance to see the missing link completed for a long time.
This is probably the best chance to see the missing link completed for a long time.
APTA-2048
Senior Member
I pretty much agree. Especially the last paragraph.
Hell, get the Eglinton line open finally before you start promising three more rail lines!
Mihairokov
Senior Member
This is where i'm at. I can't buy a campaign promise for more rail lines when the one that began construction ten years ago still isn't open.
Coolibop
Active Member
I noted the same in the midtown thread... It's been a blue riding since the second world war except a brief liberal flip in 2014 (to 2018)...so I imagine a correction of the above image is in order. I don't think they are cancelling this extension.
Northern Light
Superstar
There, fixed that for you.
Crosstown: Not open, years late.
Finch: Not open, late.
Hurontario: 2 years behind schedule.
GO 1.O, late, not delivered. LSE 15M and express service was to be restored more than a year ago.......
Ontario Line: Inferior design choices that have severely hobbled east end GO service, are a future hindrence to GO/VIA expansion and HSR and deliver less capacity, years behind the original delivery schedule.
Yonge North - Inferior route, at increased, rather than decreased cost to service developers/donors to party. No decision on Cummer Station, which would peform better than most other stations set to be built.
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Meanwhile, like the Liberals before, his propensity for P3s and the bungling of Infrastructure Ontario has dramatically inflated costs, delaying other much needed projects.
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No credit for DoFo on the transit file.
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ARG1
Senior Member
Inferior route? The only thing that is inferior is the lack of Cummer Station. The new routing through actual developments and the relocated bus terminal that will better serve Highway 7 busses is significantly preferable to the old plan where we had a Langstaff Station that only served Parking Lots (akin to Highway 407 Station). And I don't want to hear about "the developers". Better serving TOD with better walk in access from where the majority of people will live is a good thing no matter which way you slice it.
nfitz
Superstar
I'm surprised that they are cancelling the Bowmanville extension (or at least deferring again it far, far into the future - GO 3.0 maybe?)
Bojaxs
Senior Member
I'm guessing the proposed routing of the track directly east of Oshawa GO was problematic.
Northern Light
Superstar
Disagree.
The developments well to the east of Yonge shouldn't be permitted at all.
The bus terminal should not be relocated as proposed.
The development should be concentrated along Yonge, and immediately adjacent, contiguous lands.
As proposed:
1) The communities will not be built as proposed. They're absurd, so using them as a justification for an expensive re-route makes no sense.
2) The communities represent bad design, and as conceptualized will promote driving, not walking. The Yonge extension here will only be useful as a downtown commuter line, rather than a go everwhere you might might to go line, which it would better achieve under Yonge.
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Last note. The Line isn't under construction and can't go ahead yet.....there's nowhere to store the trains..... no MSF has been sited or funded by the province for this extension to date.
Too bad about routing the the line beside CN Tracks,where there might have been storage space, along with badly sited development lands to the east.
The MZO should have rezoned the land rail storage.
ARG1
Senior Member
I think whoever made this graphic didn't think it through, or simply forgot. I wouldn't be surprised if this was a last minute rush job that they through together yesterday. I personally haven't heard anything regarding delaying Bowmanville - quite the opposite in fact.