[evandyk]

That probably would be quite difficult to show since it isn't true. What people seem to keep forgetting in this whole thing is that people ride bikes in a dense urban city whether there's a bike lane or not. So they would still be there traveling at bike speed, in a place where there often isn't enough room to pass them safely. The only difference being that if bikes (and sccoters) are forced to share a lane with motor vehicles it makes them much less safe. And that lack of safety means there are fewer of them which can increase motor vehicle traffic. Plus, combining lanes with users of very different speeds and sizes is more disruptive to traffic flow since the road becomes more complicated and less orderly to navigate.

Most of the studies they do show that there is some small increase in travel times for drivers. If the city even had done a study where they showed that driving times would increase by 1 minute/day each way for 10,000 drivers (or whatever), they could have argued that the tradeoff in safety is worth it because the city would collectively save 83,000 hours a year of people not stuck in traffic. You might disagree whether it's worth it, but that's a policy decision that the government should be able to make.

But the government didn't even bother trying to meet that minimal threshold. They just said they should be able to do whatever they want, even if it puts people at higher risk.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Meanwhile...

From https://www.toronto.ca/community-people/get-involved/public-consultations/infrastructure-projects/centennial-cycling-connections/

July 2025 Update: Starting the week of August 4 (weather permitting), the City of Toronto will install a new bikeway to provide a safer connection along Mill Road from Burnhamthorpe Road to Centennial Park Boulevard/Rathburn Road, as part of the Centennial Park Cycling Connections Project. View the Installation Notice

The project area is divided into two segments with different changes planned on each segment:

1. Burnhamthorpe Road from the Mississauga Border to Mill Road. A multi-use trail is planned to be installed on the north side of this segment. There are no impacts to the roadway.
2. Mill Road from Burnhamthorpe Road to Rathburn Road. A bi-directional cycle track is planned to be installed on the east side of this segment. The number of vehicle lanes will be maintained.

Still think there should be a pedestrian and cycling bridge on Rathburn Road between Mississauga and Toronto over the Etobicoke Creek.

 

[DSCToronto]

Meanwhile...

From https://www.toronto.ca/community-people/get-involved/public-consultations/infrastructure-projects/centennial-cycling-connections/

July 2025 Update: Starting the week of August 4 (weather permitting), the City of Toronto will install a new bikeway to provide a safer connection along Mill Road from Burnhamthorpe Road to Centennial Park Boulevard/Rathburn Road, as part of the Centennial Park Cycling Connections Project. View the Installation Notice

The project area is divided into two segments with different changes planned on each segment:

1. Burnhamthorpe Road from the Mississauga Border to Mill Road. A multi-use trail is planned to be installed on the north side of this segment. There are no impacts to the roadway.
2. Mill Road from Burnhamthorpe Road to Rathburn Road. A bi-directional cycle track is planned to be installed on the east side of this segment. The number of vehicle lanes will be maintained.

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Still think there should be a pedestrian and cycling bridge on Rathburn Road between Mississauga and Toronto over the Etobicoke Creek.

Things involving several municipalities are always complex!

 

[turbanplanner]

Bigger priorities than creating room for more automobiles in the urban landscape? Hush.....

- Paul

PS - More seriously, I am impressed that the court gave so much credence to the expert opinions and accumulated data about road design. Their input is hardly news, but the court clearly positioned this as reality and not just rhetoric or far-out urbanist academic thinking. That's a huge win and will have its lasting impact, regardless of what happens on appeal.

DoFo is not known for informed or analytical thinking. He will continue to fawn over the vocal Etobicoke small business community and traditional suburbanist mentality, facts or no facts. I suspect this isn't over.

Not to get too much into politics but it's insane my conservative friends are cheering for the party of freedoms, who seems to be content using the most extreme measures available whenever they don't get their way

 

[Towered]

Still think there should be a pedestrian and cycling bridge on Rathburn Road between Mississauga and Toronto over the Etobicoke Creek.

I'm sure it's been studied at some point in the distant past, and I assume it never went forward because the cost was not worth the connectivity.

 

[bearcat]

I'm sure it's been studied at some point in the distant past, and I assume it never went forward because the cost was not worth the connectivity.

Perhaps they can make zip lines both ways?

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

I'm sure it's been studied at some point in the distant past, and I assume it never went forward because the cost was not worth the connectivity.

More likely because the Toronto portion is in the fiefdom of Etobicoke Centre (Ward 2), councillor Stephen Holyday. He has a repetition against cycling, pedestrians, and public transit. As seen in his voting record at city hall.

 

[turbanplanner]

More likely because the Toronto portion is in the fiefdom of Etobicoke Centre (Ward 2), councillor Stephen Holyday. He has a repetition against cycling, pedestrians, and public transit. As seen in his voting record at city hall.

This has been a thing since the 70's afaik

 

[evandyk]

I wonder who was in charge there since the 70s?

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

I wonder who was in charge there since the 70s?

Douglas Holyday had some influence before his son took over.

 

[evandyk]

But I was wrong about Doug, I guess. He wasn't elected until 1982... I thought he was older than that, but it's just his ideas were even more outdated.

 

[turbanplanner]

But I was wrong about Doug, I guess. He wasn't elected until 1982... I thought he was older than that, but it's just his ideas were even more outdated.

Tbf try getting something fixed on one of the regions? I’ve reported things to York or peel and then they fight between the city vs the region who is responsible for repairs

 

[hawc]

It's going on FIVE years. Are they ever going to repave the Lower Don Trail?

 

[DSCToronto]

It's going on FIVE years. Are they ever going to repave the Lower Don Trail?

DJI_20250730195219_0038_D by Drone Alone, on Flickr

Go look back in this thread, the City have just announced that some will open in September, some in November. Too slow, of course, but it IS (supposedly() reopening fairly soon.

 

[turbanplanner]

It's going on FIVE years. Are they ever going to repave the Lower Don Trail?

DJI_20250730195219_0038_D by Drone Alone, on Flickr

Sorry for another sarcastic comment but, They're waiting till they can close some other giant stretch of trail so that they maintain an absolute minimum of 25% of the network closed
Based on last year's updates, the project should have been completed by now.

Lower Don River Trail Improvements

The Lower Don River Trail is undergoing improvements to upgrade accessibility, mitigate erosion and flooding from the Don River, resolve drainage issues and enhance overall trail connections.

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