[WB62]

So what’s the reason?

No way to communicate info between the 5A car (accessibility coach where the CAD/AVL is), and the other cars. No data pins available to use

 

[APTA-2048]

No way to communicate info between the 5A car (accessibility coach where the CAD/AVL is), and the other cars. No data pins available to use

Oh sorry, I wasn’t referring to the blank screens. I meant the 5A car screens only displaying the station name and nothing more. Something like “Next station”, or “Arriving at”, I thought, would make things clearer.

 

[smallspy]

No way to communicate info between the 5A car (accessibility coach where the CAD/AVL is), and the other cars. No data pins available to use

That's not quite true.

While you're right that there is no more data able to be carried by the MU and COMM lines, CAD/AVL data is shared amongst the cars via the Cat5 bus line. All of the CEM cars have it installed from the factory.

The problem now is that the program to upgrade all of the old cars with Cat5 has been cancelled.

Dan

 

[WB62]

While you're right that there is no more data able to be carried by the MU and COMM lines, CAD/AVL data is shared amongst the cars via the Cat5 bus line. All of the CEM cars have it installed from the factory.

The problem now is that the program to upgrade all of the old cars with Cat5 has been cancelled.

Oh I definitely didn’t know the full story, my bad thanks for the correction

 

[PurplePinky]

It's not only about Torontonians, or those residing in the GTA. This is about wayfinding, which is used by everyone including those who arent familiar with the system, newcomers, tourists, etc.

Do you think these people will understand what "Kennedy" means when their vehicle is arriving?

The answer to the above question is, very likely no they wouldnt.

Your rebuttal would be (and rightly so) that this is already used on the Bloor-Danforth line. Yes that it true, but it's old and antiquated.

Sometimes ‘old’ is not antiquated but straightforward and clear. Just saying, no need to change as it works well.

 

[Jac.]

KENNEDY is all they need. We know it's line 5 already. If you don't, you probably shouldn't be riding transit.

You'd be surprised the amount of people I see who speak English, see the 905 goes to Kennedy and still ask the driver if it does, people in this city are confusing...

 

[mr_content]

You'd be surprised the amount of people I see who speak English, see the 905 goes to Kennedy and still ask the driver if it does, people in this city are confusing...

Once, my grade 5 class was heading back west from a field trip to the Science Centre and a Flemingdon Park bus clearly saying "to Eglinton Station" pulled up... despite a couple of us who lived along Eglinton and also the bus driver pleading with the guy that yes, this bus goes to the station, our teacher decided to wait outside in the dead of winter for the 34 to come anyway. Clearly some things are just never truly foolproof.

 

[A 6264]

Once, my grade 5 class was heading back west from a field trip to the Science Centre and a Flemingdon Park bus clearly saying "to Eglinton Station" pulled up... despite a couple of us who lived along Eglinton and also the bus driver pleading with the guy that yes, this bus goes to the station, our teacher decided to wait outside in the dead of winter for the 34 to come anyway. Clearly some things are just never truly foolproof.

This reminds me of a current pet peeve, which may be an indication of why passengers might not trust what drivers say. I've see this happen a few times at the bus platform at Broadview station, but it could happen anywhere. A bus pulls up to the wrong bay, opens its doors, a crowd rushes in without looking at the sign on the bus, and the driver never tells anyone it's not the bus they think it is. I have got on the wrong bus because of this, and the driver never made an announcement. Since then, I've seen drivers do this several times, and if they were to make an announcement over the intercom, saying "attention passengers, this is the xxx bus", I'm sure I'd see a lot of people get out at once. Instead, no one gets out, the bus pulls away, and I'm sure many passengers aren't aware of which bus they are on. I believe this happens at times where the platforms are crowded, and the driver wants to be helpful by taking passengers away as soon as possible, without waiting for the right bay to open up. They can do that, but they're missing an important step. Has anyone else seen this, or had it happen to them?

 

[PurplePinky]

Or you make a dash for a bus in the bus bay and they drive off just as you approach. Just a wee smirk on their face.

 

[Richard White]

You'd be surprised the amount of people I see who speak English, see the 905 goes to Kennedy and still ask the driver if it does, people in this city are confusing...

Don't forget the people who want confirmation on their information about their transportation from Spadina station.

They could be looking for the 510B and see the 510A but I guess it will be ok.

 

[stapler]

They’re running what certainly looks like revenue service levels today. Trains every 3ish minutes

 

[PurplePinky]

They’re running what certainly looks like revenue service levels today. Trains every 3ish minutes

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This has been going on for many months now.

The cars are sitting out in all kinds of weather, rusting away over time with little to no maintenance.

With no regular usage, it won’t be long til they need ‘replacing’ or ‘outdated’. MOO

 

[Admiral Beez]

This has been going on for many months now.

The cars are sitting out in all kinds of weather, rusting away over time with little to no maintenance.

With no regular usage, it won’t be long til they need ‘replacing’ or ‘outdated’. MOO

Aren't they supposed to be all-weather vehicles? Are they really being neglected?

 

[T3G]

The cars are sitting out in all kinds of weather, rusting away over time with little to no maintenance.

Your assertion that they are not receiving maintenance requires proof.

With no regular usage, it won’t be long til they need ‘replacing’ or ‘outdated’. MOO

Nonsense. The lifespan of one these vehicles is around 30 years, a few years of not being used on anything, provided they are regularly turned on and given a chance to move (I would assume they are, given the test runs), won't tip the scale much. It's not like they've been parked away on some yard track and left untouched since they were delivered. If anything, regular service, running 18-20 hours a day, and being regularly subject to road salt in the winter, would wear them down much faster.

Also, that's not what "outdated" means.

 

[Steve X]

You'd be surprised the amount of people I see who speak English, see the 905 goes to Kennedy and still ask the driver if it does, people in this city are confusing...

Bus stops don't show direction and sometimes the wrong signs are put up, especially if there was a detour near the terminal. The operator might have forget to change it but it's mostly automatic now.

However the LRT platforms clearly show directions like the subway does. Which gives people more insurance they are on the right trains.

This has been going on for many months now.

The cars are sitting out in all kinds of weather, rusting away over time with little to no maintenance.

With no regular usage, it won’t be long til they need ‘replacing’ or ‘outdated’. MOO

I'm pretty sure they are just solving the teething issues now. These issues don't show up when they do their burnin but a few thousand km into running "in service". Faulty installation and bad workmanship usually cause these issues which is usually an one time fix.