[picard102]

The PM is signaling that the "sunny ways" of his predecessor are over: feminist foreign policy, one of the hallmarks of the Trudeau era is being dropped.

Carney says Canada upholding values but drops talk of ‘feminist foreign policy’

Prime Minister Mark Carney says Canada no longer has a feminist foreign policy, but still wants to uphold values on the world stage that include LGBTQ+ rights and combatting violence against women.

www.ctvnews.ca

That's not a surprise considering what's coming out about his management style and the people he surrounds himself with.

 

[narduch]

I mean he is basically a right wing PM under the Liberal banner.

 

[kEiThZ]

The PM is signaling that the "sunny ways" of his predecessor are over: feminist foreign policy, one of the hallmarks of the Trudeau era is being dropped.

Carney says Canada upholding values but drops talk of ‘feminist foreign policy’

Prime Minister Mark Carney says Canada no longer has a feminist foreign policy, but still wants to uphold values on the world stage that include LGBTQ+ rights and combatting violence against women.

www.ctvnews.ca

He is doing what he was elected to do.

Besides which, it was never clear how a "feminist foreign policy" benefits the average Canadian, which is, kinda the point of foreign policy. Seemed like an excuse to just send money to certain NGOs more than anything else.

Also, good luck trying to reduce trade dependency on the US while lecturing large markets in the Global South on feminism, and trying to force it on them in trade negotiations.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

I mean he is basically a right wing PM under the Liberal banner.

The Liberals as a broadly big tent party always vacillated between the centre-right and centre-left depending on which way the electoral winds goes. Carney is basically a return to form to the Chretien/Martin era.

AoD

 

[kEiThZ]

The Liberals as a broadly big tent party always vacillated between the centre-right and centre-left depending on which way the electoral winds goes. Carney is basically a return to form to the Chretien/Martin era.

AoD

I'm not even sure he's as right leaning as Martin. I've seen the changes inside government. They are extremely focused on delivery. Ideology is largely gone. It's an urgency I've never seen in my entire career.

If a program or policy can't show that it has delivered first and foremost according to its own goals and then in line with the government's goals, it's getting cut. And let's face it, most Trudeau era policy, except for some Indigenous programs , didn't deliver substantially. The programs that mostly did deliver? Minimal government management. Just cutting cheques. Like CCB.

Governing is not easy. And I don't envy the man. Every single program manager is going to go in and say how their file will change the country. Every ideologue will say that you're evil if you don't adopt 100% of their position. The previous PM refused to make any hard choices. This is one of making some hard calls. Even if they aren't always popular. And that's at least more actual governing than the last guy.

 

[Full Metal Junkie]

I mean he is basically a right wing PM under the Liberal banner.

Being pragmatic doesn't make him right wing. Is Carney as woke as Trudeau? No. Does that fact make Carney a right winger? Also no. Does it make sense to have a meaningless 'feminist' label attached to your foreign policy that is supposed to be about trade? No, it does not. Virtue signaling does not help you sign any trade deals. Does removing the 'feminist' label form the foreign policy make Carney an anti-women-rights PM? No, it does not.

The whole story is one big nothing burger, imho.

 

[picard102]

Being pragmatic doesn't make him right wing.

Next we'll hear about his common sense policies not making him right wing.

 

[narduch]

Being pragmatic doesn't make him right wing. Is Carney as woke as Trudeau? No. Does that fact make Carney a right winger? Also no. Does it make sense to have a meaningless 'feminist' label attached to your foreign policy that is supposed to be about trade? No, it does not. Virtue signaling does not help you sign any trade deals. Does removing the 'feminist' label form the foreign policy make Carney an anti-women-rights PM? No, it does not.

The whole story is one big nothing burger, imho.

I'm not basing this assessment on this one policy.

It's stuff like cutting back the civil service and removing environmental policies among other things that make him right wing.

 

[Full Metal Junkie]

I'm not basing this assessment on this one policy.

It's stuff like cutting back the civil service and removing environmental policies among other things that make him right wing.

I'd place him squarely in the centrist column on the Canadian political spectrum.

 

[narduch]

I'd place him squarely in the centrist column on the Canadian political spectrum.

Basically lies people need to tell themselves while he enacts the same policies they would complain about if Poliviere was the one doing them.

Calling him exactly in the centre is ludicrous.

 

[UtakataNoAnnex]

He is doing what he was elected to do.

Besides which, it was never clear how a "feminist foreign policy" benefits the average Canadian, which is, kinda the point of foreign policy. Seemed like an excuse to just send money to certain NGOs more than anything else.

Also, good luck trying to reduce trade dependency on the US while lecturing large markets in the Global South on feminism, and trying to force it on them in trade negotiations.

That's weird take. Government should be governing for everyone...and becoming more exclusionary is unlikely to help our world open up for better trade.

But I am taking feminism as more inclusive here...which is nothing wrong with that. And preferably desirable, IMO, regardless of one's economic stripes.

 

[UtakataNoAnnex]

I'd place him squarely in the centrist column on the Canadian political spectrum.

Nah...he's definitely centre right. Kinda where the DNC is when they're not outright capitulating.

 

[Full Metal Junkie]

Basically lies people need to tell themselves while he enacts the same policies they would complain about if Poliviere was the one doing them.

Calling him exactly in the centre is ludicrous.

He's catching just as much flack from the staunchly left folk as he is from the conservatives. Kinda makes him a centrist by definition.
Also, you have to be joking when you say that PP's policies would look anything like Carney's.

 

[kEiThZ]

That's weird take. Government should be governing for everyone...and becoming more exclusionary is unlikely to help our world open up for better trade.

But I am taking feminism as more inclusive here...which is nothing wrong with that. And preferably desirable, IMO, regardless of one's economic stripes.

Government's goal is generally to maximize the most good for the most people. And "the most people" generally refers to the Canadian electorate.

It's not at all clear how the "feminist foreign policy" actually did that. And it's not at all clear how that helps in the current situation we're in. What exactly is a feminist trade deal going to be with India or South Africa or Brazil?

I don't think the policy was universally bad. The CAF uses Gender Advisors as part of the command staff on operations now. I had one with us in Calgary during the G7. And her advice was fantastic. But she herself hated her title and the role had morphed into a cultural awareness role.

 

[wopchop]

That's weird take. Government should be governing for everyone...and becoming more exclusionary is unlikely to help our world open up for better trade.

But I am taking feminism as more inclusive here...which is nothing wrong with that. And preferably desirable, IMO, regardless of one's economic stripes.

Can you explain exactly what "feminist foreign policy" is? Because from what I understand, even the previous government did not define it.