[kEiThZ]

I find it confusing that in one breath @kEiThZ is suggesting that Alto have a station at YPQ because Toronto will need another airport and then in another breath suggesting that YTZ be demolished because Toronto is too small to support 2 airports once Alto comes to Toronto.

Nothing confusing about it. The GTA could use a second airport for long haul service. More flights to Edmonton, Vancouver, Mexico, Europe, etc. It's not lacking service to New York and Chicago or Thunder Bay.

But I don't even think this is a pressing need. I've repeatedly said on here that it's better to hit downtown Peterborough. But if they insist on a suburban station, there's value in creating a second rail connected airport that can serve the GTA.

 

[kEiThZ]

The idea of converting YTZ into a few hundred luxury condos (this is prime real estate, it won’t be affordable housing) is very short sighted. Once you build over transportation infrastructure, it is gone forever. Besides, from what I’ve been told (I’m not an expert) Toronto has too many luxury condos and not enough family homes.

Who said it will only be condos? Nobody with any sense would do that to prime real estate. Paul's joke about a casino is probably closer to reality.

But also, it's crazy that somebody who is not from Toronto is going to argue against housing in a city starved for it.

 

[MidtownKW]

Who said it will only be condos? Nobody with any sense would do that to prime real estate. Paul's joke about a casino is probably closer to reality.

But also, it's crazy that somebody who is not from Toronto is going to argue against housing in a city starved for it.

It doesn't make a lot of sense to say "hundreds of condos," either. The airport owns 210 acres. There could be a few thousand residential units, with room to spare for an appreciable public amenity (I am thinking sizeable park instead of spa or casino, but who knows).

 

[zang]

Honestly, just making the airport into parkland would probably be the best option, and take so much load off the ferries, as the pedestrian tunnel could allow for access to the entirely of the island.

 

[crs1026]

It doesn't make a lot of sense to say "hundreds of condos," either. The airport owns 210 acres. There could be a few thousand residential units, with room to spare for an appreciable public amenity (I am thinking sizeable park instead of spa or casino, but who knows).

If First Capital can put 11 towers on the 28 acre Christie Lands, think what they would do with 210 acres.

- Paul

 

[micheal_can]

If First Capital can put 11 towers on the 28 acre Christie Lands, think what they would do with 210 acres.

- Paul

Over 80 buildings.
All high end.
All the wrong housing for what is needed.
Having said that, having it as affordable housing would also not fit. Sure,it is big enough, but the outcry would be crazy.

So, parkland of some sort would make the most sense that would not piss off much of the population more than normal.

 

[Northern Light]

Billy Bishop is not becoming housing of any description.

I know what Plan A is here (and some others here are privy to that), and I also know Plan B.

Neither is housing, or casino.

 

[Voltz]

Billy Bishop is not becoming housing of any description.

I know what Plan A is here (and some others here are privy to that), and I also know Plan B.

Neither is housing, or casino.

Race track?

 

[micheal_can]

Billy Bishop is not becoming housing of any description.

I know what Plan A is here (and some others here are privy to that), and I also know Plan B.

Neither is housing, or casino.

My guess is Plan A is a GA airport.
My guess for plan B is parkland.

My guess is because you said it how you said it, none of us will know till it is officially released to the public.

 

[WB62]

Billy Bishop is not becoming housing of any description.

I know what Plan A is here (and some others here are privy to that), and I also know Plan B.

Neither is housing, or casino.

I wonder what Plan C is

Plan D is obviously Disneyland https://dailyhive.com/toronto/disneyland-toronto-islands-resort-canada

 

[micheal_can]

I wonder what Plan C is

Plan D is obviously Disneyland https://dailyhive.com/toronto/disneyland-toronto-islands-resort-canada
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I mean, it wouldn't be the absolute worst thing.

 

[PL1]

A Ferris wheel with DoFoLand (a park honestly so much better than Disney World!! Pinky swear!). And probably a monorail, too. And no bikes at all.


Edit: Honestly, the GA airport and park expansion are the most likely.

 

[mtlmark]

Hi guys,

The pricing you guys talk about will be probably be influenced by Air Canada and the <<conventional services>> that Alto will also operate. Remember, under the plan put forth when Alghabra was transport minister, the winning consortium (of which SNCF and Air Canada are a part of) was to operate the High Speed network AND the current corridor, with the brand new Ventures being part of the deal. Thus, Alto will operate both the new high speed network and the current corridor. I speculate the consumer will probably pay a premium to use the high speed departures between Toronto and Quebec city or pay less and use Ventures to get to where you want to go. Thus, it is highly unlikely any city currently with VIA service will lose service because it is already part of the corridor as well as, it is highly unlikely that any of the current destinations in the corridor except those named explicitly (Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto and Quebec city) will be on the new high speed infrastructure.

Laval (in between the island of Montreal and the lower Laurentians) is closer to the north shore of St-Lawrence where Alto is to run to Quebec city via Trois-Rivières. If as Johannes Urbanski has pointed out on another forum, that the Laval stop is indeed at the De La Concorde stop where the metro and also where EXO (St-Jérome line) intersect, that would allow the passenger to transfer to either metro or possibly a commuter train. Transit wise, it's a no brainer. I do wonder if the ultimate junction will be in the lower Laurentians either at St-Eustache or Ste-Thérèse.
If anyone has seen the CBC documentary ''What can Canada learn from Spain about high-speed rail?'', they mention how Spain used already existing infrastructure to speed up the construction phase.

I do tend to believe the high-speed network will be electrified, Alto's own images show an electric set running under catenary.
Maybe for the rolling stock it will be a battle between Siemens Velaro, Alstom Avelia or Zefiro, Stadler Smile or the Talgo Avril

 

[generalcanada]

Hi guys,

The pricing you guys talk about will be probably be influenced by Air Canada and the <<conventional services>> that Alto will also operate. Remember, under the plan put forth when Alghabra was transport minister, the winning consortium (of which SNCF and Air Canada are a part of) was to operate the High Speed network AND the current corridor, with the brand new Ventures being part of the deal. Thus, Alto will operate both the new high speed network and the current corridor. I speculate the consumer will probably pay a premium to use the high speed departures between Toronto and Quebec city or pay less and use Ventures to get to where you want to go. Thus, it is highly unlikely any city currently with VIA service will lose service because it is already part of the corridor as well as, it is highly unlikely that any of the current destinations in the corridor except those named explicitly (Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto and Quebec city) will be on the new high speed infrastructure.

Laval (in between the island of Montreal and the lower Laurentians) is closer to the north shore of St-Lawrence where Alto is to run to Quebec city via Trois-Rivières. If as Johannes Urbanski has pointed out on another forum, that the Laval stop is indeed at the De La Concorde stop where the metro and also where EXO (St-Jérome line) intersect, that would allow the passenger to transfer to either metro or possibly a commuter train. Transit wise, it's a no brainer. I do wonder if the ultimate junction will be in the lower Laurentians either at St-Eustache or Ste-Thérèse.
If anyone has seen the CBC documentary ''What can Canada learn from Spain about high-speed rail?'', they mention how Spain used already existing infrastructure to speed up the construction phase.

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I do tend to believe the high-speed network will be electrified, Alto's own images show an electric set running under catenary.
Maybe for the rolling stock it will be a battle between Siemens Velaro, Alstom Avelia or Zefiro, Stadler Smile or the Talgo Avril

1. Alto isnt touching the lakeshore or any other routes. Least not yet (cue Tor-Ldn phase 2 fantasy maps)
2. Air canada wants to get off the short flights that they lose money on. and they can implement exclusive connections via Alto
3. id expect a premium if i was to get there 50% faster. were looking at $50 for Toronto to Ottawa for lakeshore route. I wouldnt be suprised at 3x the cost

 

[micheal_can]

A quick google search shows that the train is cheaper than flying, but not by much.
I am expecting that a fight will still be the most expensive once ALTO opens. So, by then, flights may be increased to make it look like ALTO is the deal to have to help reduce those short haul flights along the Corridor.