[lenaitch]

This was in reference to if there were a station that was 'close' to Kingston. An express bus between the Via station and the ALTO station could be operated by the consortium and it might be enough to placate some of the complaints. I am not talking a multi stop transit service. I am talking a bus that has 2 stops and they are the termini for the service.

That sounds like a great job for a private contract or Kingston transit. Organizations like Metrolinx is one thing - they have rail and bus divisions. Having a rail operator run a one/two-off bus service just to make it door-to-door seems inefficient. Even if they did, they would likely contract it out anyway.

 

[micheal_can]

That sounds like a great job for a private contract or Kingston transit. Organizations like Metrolinx is one thing - they have rail and bus divisions. Having a rail operator run a one/two-off bus service just to make it door-to-door seems inefficient. Even if they did, they would likely contract it out anyway.

The problem with thinking it should be a private company is that that would assume a stop is going to be built there in the first place. No stop has been listed in that area. So, if a stop were announced there, that would be enough.

 

[kEiThZ]

That being said. I agree with much of what was said. Buuuut.. I reeeeaaally disagree with the suggestion that more rural stations are needed. Like reaaaally disagree.

It's not just rural stations. Tweed and Vankleek Hill. Brain dead take that comes from looking at dots on a map.

 

[White Pine]

It's not just rural stations. Tweed and Vankleek Hill. Brain dead take that comes from looking at dots on a map.

Under the HFR plan, Tweed should have had a stop. Not so much with HSR.

 

[micheal_can]

Under the HFR plan, Tweed should have had a stop. Not so much with HSR.

Objectively, which would be a better project, HFR or HSR?

 

[lenaitch]

It seems Randy Hillier is doing Randy Hillier 'landowner rights' things surrounding HSR.

 

[StreetcarRider]

If areas around Kingston strongly oppose the southern route, then those very same communities can't very well complain in the future about being left off the corridor. The Alto people might be viewed as politically savvy for dealing with the Kingston issue by presenting two options in Ontario and having locals decide which one will advance (assuming the northern-route places want the line ...)

South Frontenac says no to high-speed rail line through Township – Kingston News

(Kingston, Ontario) The Township of South Frontenac has become the first municipality to officially and unanimously vote against being included in a high-speed rail line corridor between Quebec City and Toronto.

www.kingstonist.com

 

[kEiThZ]

Yep. These folks are making a strong case for the northern corridor.

 

[legoswmonkey]

At the consult they summed it up that the challenge on the northern route is geography, and the challenge on the southern route is society. Ask any engineer (including the one I talked to there) any they prefer dealing with rocks.

 

[Mihairokov]

The only thing standing in the way of HSR in this country is Canadians.

 

[micheal_can]

The only thing standing in the way of HSR in this country is Canadians.

NIMBYism at its finest.

 

[guavadelic]

At the consult they summed it up that the challenge on the northern route is geography, and the challenge on the southern route is society. Ask any engineer (including the one I talked to there) any they prefer dealing with rocks.

Would be nice to know the cost difference between the two route options.

 

[mburrrrr]

I don’t think I can invest anymore time in reading thousands of posts and years of time on this thread before the first train might arrive in downtown Toronto. There is a much better chance I won’t be living downtown, or alive and definitely not traveling to Montreal. Unless of course we can’t travel South.
Unwatching.

 

[lenaitch]

At the consult they summed it up that the challenge on the northern route is geography, and the challenge on the southern route is society. Ask any engineer (including the one I talked to there) any they prefer dealing with rocks.

The Hilliers of the world aside, proper communications, particularly acknowledging the rural mindset, might alleviate some of the concerns. Proposing a corridor that will be isolated out of necessity raises concerns about being cut or (or at least greatly inconvenienced) from farm fields, family, adjacent communities for services, etc. Telling a farmer they have to go an extra distance to get equipment or stock on a field because an underpass is too small, or telling someone they have travel 20 extra kilometers to buy a bag of milk, isn't going to garner friends. The area isn't like parts of central or western Ontario that are grids of regular concession and side roads where a diversion is often a couple of kilometers.

Add to that wildlife crossing since the ROW will cut through the Park-to-Park corridor that follows the Frontenac Arch between Algonquin and the Aderondacks.

No doubt a lot of this is solvable. HSR is new to us but not the world.

 

[micheal_can]

Would be nice to know the cost difference between the two route options.

As I understand it, the southern route has a lot less granite to blast through. This could mean the difference between tunneling to downtown Montreal and Toronto and having just a suburban station.