[J.OT13]

Man that's sad to see. That berm was one of my favourite chill spots in the city. I know they are rebuilding it, but it won't have the epic vista of the stadium.

The berm won't be much more then a mole hill when it's all said and done. What angers me the most is that it looks like they are scrapping Moving Surfaces in that picture. $4 million down the drain because the City doesn't want to use any of the $2 million art budget to restore lighting on an otherwise perfectly fine landmark piece of art. City Council passed a motion to speak to the artist about restoration, but that seems impossible now.

 

[jay2028]

613flea weighing options with Aberdeen Pavilion set to close in spring for 2-year renovation

The Aberdeen Pavilion is due for major restoration work which will require the venue to close for two years, forcing events typically hosted in the space to find a new home in the meantime.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[jay2028]

Market plan is fine, would have liked to see a bit more ambition but I'll take what I can get. Lansdowne is just silly, I appreciate the added density / retail and the area is nice enough, but I am not a fan of the current transit situation on Bank street. Not to mention the partnership has yet to be profitable. Actually now that you brought it up I am starting to get annoyed about it

The city should have done Lansdowne right from the start and we might have been in a better spot today.When your trying to appease every group its not going to work and that is what we have seen.

 

[postingaboutottawa]

It's easy to play critic on landsdowne but the political viability of a fully city paid redevelopment that didn't include the cfl and 67s is unlikely to be a successful enterprise.

I would personally love it if it was all park but I still go to events and the cineplex, non chain/suburban restaurants would still be competing with local glebe and oos establishments. The key is better transit connection and more concerts.

 

[jay2028]

It's easy to play critic on landsdowne but the political viability of a fully city paid redevelopment that didn't include the cfl and 67s is unlikely to be a successful enterprise.

I would personally love it if it was all park but I still go to events and the cineplex, non chain/suburban restaurants would still be competing with local glebe and oos establishments. The key is better transit connection and more concerts.

If you go back to 2010 Doucet had 2 ideas

1)A scaled back plan 11,000 seat stadium and no retail 60% would have been park space.

2)Have the NCC buy it

Both of these very well could be in worse shape then what we have now.

 

[J.OT13]

It's easy to play critic on landsdowne but the political viability of a fully city paid redevelopment that didn't include the cfl and 67s is unlikely to be a successful enterprise.

I would personally love it if it was all park but I still go to events and the cineplex, non chain/suburban restaurants would still be competing with local glebe and oos establishments. The key is better transit connection and more concerts.

I think most people understand that Lansdowne 1.0 was overall good for the City. Even 2.0, as proposed years back, might have had broad support. The problem is Sutcliffe made the plan far worse while doubling the budget.

 

[jay2028]

I think most people understand that Lansdowne 1.0 was overall good for the City. Even 2.0, as proposed years back, might have had broad support. The problem is Sutcliffe made the plan far worse while doubling the budget.

I would not say most a large amount did not support it now matter how good it was.

 

[J.OT13]

I would not say most a large amount did not support it now matter how good it was.

You have three camps; those who oppose no matter what, those who support no matter what and those who can make a reasonable judgement based on what's proposed. It seems Lansdowne 2.0 lost support from that last group when the final plan was forced down our throats.

 

[jay2028]

You have three camps; those who oppose no matter what, those who support no matter what and those who can make a reasonable judgement based on what's proposed. It seems Lansdowne 2.0 lost support from that last group when the final plan was forced down our throats.

I think the risk for some running for mayor is they think running on we don't need it at all won't play well with a large %.

 

[J.OT13]

I think the risk for some running for mayor is they think running on we don't need it at all won't play well with a large %.

The deal is done now. Anyone reasonable person running for Mayor knows this and can't stop the literal machine. Best we can hope for is a candidate who proposes improvements to the current plan.

 

[jay2028]

The deal is done now. Anyone reasonable person running for Mayor knows this and can't stop the literal machine. Best we can hope for is a candidate who proposes improvements to the current plan.

Jeff maybe the only hope.

 

[postingaboutottawa]

I think most people understand that Lansdowne 1.0 was overall good for the City. Even 2.0, as proposed years back, might have had broad support. The problem is Sutcliffe made the plan far worse while doubling the budget.

Sutcliffe had less to do with the cost increase than COVIDflation and progressive champion Councillor Menard fighting to reduce the air rights. He can take the blame for not stepping in for a re-think but given the state of council and civic discourse at large I think even many of his supporters would concede he's clearly not the man for that job.

edit: On topic

n topic including a large investment in the market building before redoing the Clarence garage = good.
Waiting five (5) years to implement the plant and not fast tracking the york event space = indefensible garbage
Not too worried about the lack of full time pedestrianizing, the next council can fix that pretty easily it matters more to get the ball rolling ASAP

 

[jay2028]

You can look at Toronto and say Chow as dropped the ball just the way Mark has.

World cup
Due to cost the city has downgraded the plans big time that Tory had left so bad that many think Toronto will be the laughing stock of the world cup.

My point is these issues are not limited to Ottawa.

 

[originalmuffins]

Lansdowne's current version is a joke. I am very much a person who was supportive of 2.0, but the cut down of towers (with Menard and Glebe NIMBYs patting themselves on the back as if that was a win). We lost a lot in each revision, and the old original plan, was much better. Had they just gone with what was there, it would have also supplemented the cost better too.

Instead we got a half baked plan, which yes, we do need more to actually do Lansdowne right, but the potential was so much better. And honestly, it could have been used to finally spur a tram down bank with dedicated lanes (building parking garages throughout bank on lots near the main street) or finally putting QED to better use to connect Rideau to Lansdowne / Bank and to Billings.

It is what it is at this point, it can't be stopped; and I still want Lansdowne to improve over what it is now, but many of us are justifiably not happy with the current rendition.


Original proposal:

Large amount of retail and mixed use, hotel component, an arena with greenspace left intact, and so on.

Versus whatever this is:

Granted, I believe they did say two 40 floor towers now.. but still.. the latest plan is worse, in my opinion. That loss of retail, mid sized venue, and Rec Room, and then question marks about a hotel make me go, why?

 

[jay2028]

Lansdowne's current version is a joke. I am very much a person who was supportive of 2.0, but the cut down of towers (with Menard and Glebe NIMBYs patting themselves on the back as if that was a win). We lost a lot in each revision, and the old original plan, was much better. Had they just gone with what was there, it would have also supplemented the cost better too.

Instead we got a half baked plan, which yes, we do need more to actually do Lansdowne right, but the potential was so much better. And honestly, it could have been used to finally spur a tram down bank with dedicated lanes (building parking garages throughout bank on lots near the road) or finally putting QED to better use to connect Rideau to Lansdowne / Bank and to Billings.

It is what it is at this point, it can't be stopped; and I still want Lansdowne to improve over what it is now, but many of us are justifiably not happy with the current rendition.

While i take issues with it and yes it should be better.With that said if the city had said no we could be looking at a long period of years where nothing is done and just rots away.