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TwoWheelPoli said:
The Alto line has unfortunately been seeing opposition from rural landowners along the route and - surprise surprise - Conservative MP's such as Scott Reid. Basically, the CPC wants to keep Canada an international embarrassment, though Alto still has the obligation to minimize land acquisitions and ensure fair compensation.

www.thestar.com

Dozens of Ontario farming communities fear losing businesses and land to Canada’s new high-speed train line

The federal government has backed plans to build a rail capable of travelling 300 km/h between Toronto and Quebec City, a project that could lead to the most expropriations of any project in Canadian history.
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He is representing his riding. Annoying, but he is doing his job.

All of this highlights what happens when you do public consultation without an actual line drawn where the route will be. Had they come out with a basic line showing where they want to put the tracks, then have the bubble around it, some of this NIMBYism would not be happening.
 
TwoWheelPoli said:
The Alto line has unfortunately been seeing opposition from rural landowners along the route and - surprise surprise - Conservative MP's such as Scott Reid. Basically, the CPC wants to keep Canada an international embarrassment, though Alto still has the obligation to minimize land acquisitions and ensure fair compensation.
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It's looking like the next covid convoy-like movement in Canada will arise from opposition to this HSR project. Outlets like Rebel News are already pushing heavy coverage of the local groups opposing the project.
Will be interesting to see if the Federal conservatives fully support them in opposition.
 
micheal_can said:
He is representing his riding. Annoying, but he is doing his job.

All of this highlights what happens when you do public consultation without an actual line drawn where the route will be. Had they come out with a basic line showing where they want to put the tracks, then have the bubble around it, some of this NIMBYism would not be happening.
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So if a route is already chosen, what would they be consulting about? Colour of the livery?
 
APTA-2048 said:
There were multiple corridors under study for the DRL and OL. What are you talking about.
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That is what I mean. They did not just shade in the whole area. You knew what may one day happen.
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micheal_can said:
A FYI...?

You know how there were plans of the DRL/OL and they were put out in the public? It was not some vague shaded area of the map.
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Public consultation and public information sessions are two different things. Again, if the road had already been selected, what would the public be 'consulted' about? That's like saying the constitutional duty to consult First Nations is just and information exchange.
 
APTA-2048 said:
I don’t see how that’s really different. The study area is wide from Bayview to Victoria Park. In the end, residents on either road were not impacted, but you wouldn’t know it when this diagram was released.
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See those lines? Look at what ALTO has released. See how there are no lines? That is what I am talking of.If I were not someone who had a little understanding of the railways (and it very little), if that was released to me, I might be worried too.

lenaitch said:
Public consultation and public information sessions are two different things. Again, if the road had already been selected, what would the public be 'consulted' about? That's like saying the constitutional duty to consult First Nations is just and information exchange.
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I think I may be misunderstanding what the point was of those maps ALTO released.
 
micheal_can said:
See those lines? Look at what ALTO has released. See how there are no lines? That is what I am talking of.If I were not someone who had a little understanding of the railways (and it very little), if that was released to me, I might be worried too.


I think I may be misunderstanding what the point was of those maps ALTO released.
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They're called study areas. 'This is what we plan to do. We can do it Way A or Way B; tell us what you think'. It's done all the time in EAs.

If everything is decided, what would they be consulting on? They could simply send out mailers or post something in local papers.
 
lenaitch said:
They're called study areas. 'This is what we plan to do. We can do it Way A or Way B; tell us what you think'. It's done all the time in EAs.

If everything is decided, what would they be consulting on? They could simply send out mailers or post something in local papers.
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I have not seen another project have such a wide study area. Is there some other example that can be used to show how this is normal?
 
micheal_can said:
See those lines? Look at what ALTO has released. See how there are no lines? That is what I am talking of.If I were not someone who had a little understanding of the railways (and it very little), if that was released to me, I might be worried too.
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But why would an Alto map have lines on it? It’s not like they are trying to follow a street grid like a subway.
 
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