nfitz
Superstar
Wasn't the original spacing 27 stations over 19 km (≈730 m spacing)? That's what the attached figure on the City of Toronto website has (Phase One - 19 km - 27 stops).
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new.flyer.408
New Member
http://www.metrolinx.com/en/docs/pdf/presentations/Crosstown_Station_Presentation.pdf
Not surprised to see Ellesmere go.
Granted, this isn't finalised, but I would think gives a fairly good picture.
Not surprised to see Ellesmere go.
Granted, this isn't finalised, but I would think gives a fairly good picture.
Wasn't the original spacing 27 stations over 19 km (≈730 m spacing)? That's what the attached figure on the City of Toronto website has (Phase One - 19 km - 27 stops).
A lot of those Eglinton East stations were just platforms though. I'd imagine now that it's going underground they're going to increase the stop spacing along that stretch.
sixrings
Senior Member
I agree with the new stop spacing, if thats the final form. HOWEVER I do think it is a waste to now build the new rec centre at blackcreek if there isnt going to be a stop there.. The whole purpose of the community centre is to bring some life to a needy area... what good is it if no one can get to it... I dont know how to fix this problem other then to buy some land somewhere else and move it.... Either we are going to waste 300 million building a rec centre no one can get too or we are going to waste 200 million building a extra station so some people can get to it...
Mapleson
Active Member
The original spacing was 850m average subway (~11km Keele to Laird, 12 stations, 13 tunnel segments) and 450m-500m average surface including Phase 2 (~8km, 15 stations including Kennedy, 13 segments).
Filip
Senior Member
So looking through that document we are basically getting subway stations with streetcars running through them.
Hmmm... You'd think they'd make that a bare bones sort of line, like BD, instead we're getting Spadina extension-lite.
Hmmm... You'd think they'd make that a bare bones sort of line, like BD, instead we're getting Spadina extension-lite.
nfitz
Superstar
I would too ... I was simply addressing the statements about the past. The presentation that new.flyer.408 just linked to seems to be definitive. 26 stations. If Ellesemere get's restored during the EA then it would be 27.
That presentation is hot off the press. If you look at the internal date information in it, they didn't create the PDF until about 9 AM this morning!
Ah, just the tunnel. Yes, that would be about right. So it looks as though the spacing on the grade-separated portion has increased from 850 to 1000 metres. That should make things run even faster!
Mapleson
Active Member
Nice find. Is it just me or does it look like Jane and Weston are in some 'future phase' and they're looking at 24 stations now?
Dan416
Senior Member
The legend does imply that
3 interchange stations:
Eglinton West
Eglinton-Yonge
Kennedy
1 terminal station:
Keele
4 SRT stations:
Lawrence East
Midland
Scarborough Centre
McCowan
16 "Inline" stations (anyone able to clarify what that means? is it just a catchall phrase for any station that's not listed above?)
Caledonia
Dufferin
Oakwood
Bathurst
Chaplin
Avenue
Mount Pleasant
Bayview
Laird
Leslie
Don Mills
Wynford
Bermondsey
Victoria Park
Warden
Birchmount
Although it also says the number of stations is not final and subject to the EA update.
nfitz
Superstar
Good question. Future phase? Still being considered for first phase? Who knows?
The other interesting question will be the phasing. Will it still be all or nothing in 2020 (or 2021 ...)? Or as they can move an extra $1-billion of funding from Sheppard East from 2011 to 2014, can they advance it, so that there is an earlier opening of some of the central tunnel - which was 2016 in the earlier Transit City plan.
Dan416
Senior Member
I made this Google Maps comparison of the stop spacing of the Crosstown LRT with the Bloor-Danforth subway a few years ago and I updated it with the newest info from that graphic posted today:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid...ll=43.706849,-79.400253&spn=0.133274,0.280495
Lemme know if you can see or if there's any errors. I used a slightly different marker for the SRT station minus Kennedy because they're not really part of the stop spacing comparison (I also left out all the west Bloor stations for the same reason).
Not being intimately familiar with this Eglinton, my opinion might not be that informative, but I think the stop spacing looks good.
On another note, when the Sheppard Victoria Park station gets build, and the Eglinton one gets built, we'll have 3 Victoria Park stations...
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid...ll=43.706849,-79.400253&spn=0.133274,0.280495
Lemme know if you can see or if there's any errors. I used a slightly different marker for the SRT station minus Kennedy because they're not really part of the stop spacing comparison (I also left out all the west Bloor stations for the same reason).
Not being intimately familiar with this Eglinton, my opinion might not be that informative, but I think the stop spacing looks good.
On another note, when the Sheppard Victoria Park station gets build, and the Eglinton one gets built, we'll have 3 Victoria Park stations...
accura407
Car is King
I think it has to do with the fact that they have the full Underground EA complete from Keele till Laird so its more like a Phase 1A and 1B where they can get started on the TBMs and go from Keele till Laird. By the time they reach Laird, one hopes that the EA and design work has been completed for the work east of that to Kennedy...
And while all that is happening...the question is if they will tunnel west of Keele or do some of the options thrown around...(dont ask for sources...i read it somewhere)
I heard one plan was to have the train travel on surface level (emerge from the portal) on the north side and have Black Creek Drive elevated over the line and the Eglinton Ave intersection as well... I guess basically a highway interchange...(Ramps on south side?)...cheaper than tunneling so why not...
That would make sense because it would make the yard connection much easier than a complicated underground junction for an area so wide open! Then i guess the question is...do you need to TBM a short tunnel from the Georgetown Line till Jane? Because by the looks of it...a short cut and cover tunnel would suffice...especially if they plan to have a pocket track/crossover track before approaching Jane.
Summary of what i think they will do:
A) Keele to Laird TBM - EA approved
B) Laird to Kennedy TBM (C&C?)
C) West Portal to GO Line at Grade
D) GO Line to Jane C&C
Fred.S
Active Member
Cool. Just missing Bessarion Station on Sheppard (between Bayview and Leslie).
Dan416
Senior Member
Oh yeah! Thank you.
I started to add in Sheppard stops just to compare too. Then I started thinking of adding in Y-U-S as well. Maybe another time.
BTW why is it "Bessarion" and not "Burbank"?
Also, I'd prefer "Sloane" over "Bermondsey".
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Johnny Au
Superstar
"Bessarion" is probably uniquely named. "Burbank" sounds too generic (but then there are the "Lawrence" and "Wilson" stations on the Red Line in Chicago and "Lansdowne" station on the Canada Line in Vancouver.
I have been to the Beth Sholom Synagogue for the meeting. I asked a question regarding the frequency of the LRVs. They said "approximately 6 minutes." I also got autographs from Karen Stintz, Jack Collins (the person featured on the Metrolinx television commercial), and Mike Colle. I will be attending the July 5th meeting in the Forest Hill United Church with Mike Colle.