Dan416
Senior Member
But from the map it looks like Burbank is an arterial street, whereas Bessarion looks like a small street.
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But from the map it looks like Burbank is an arterial street, whereas Bessarion looks like a small street.
nfitz
Superstar
Does it matter what it looks like on the map? And is ANY of Sloan 4-lanes?
Your not really debating the naming for roads you've never seen are you?
Dan416
Senior Member
1. Yes of course it matters! On a map (or at least on Google maps) a street is white if it's regular, yellow if it's arterial. IIRC Burbank is yellow, Bessarion is white.
2. No idea. As I mentioned, I just like the name better.
3. Why can't I have an opinion as to which name I'd prefer for a subway/LRT station? Why should Toronto have to settle for mediocre names? We could be a world-class city if it weren't for names like "Bessarion" and "Bermondsey".
That said, I'll compromise with you. We keep Bessarion, but we'll change Bermondsey to Sloane.
(Does the name of the station depend on which side of the road the station is on?)
nfitz
Superstar
Oh, it's just about which name you like?
Actually, I can respect that. But really ... you prefer Sloan to Bermondsey? Bermondsey is such a great name - such a wonderful Anglo-Saxon name with great history. And while I don't really now the history of Bessarion - it just sounds like such a wonderful name, compared to Burbank ... Burbank sounds so tacky ... the kind of place you'd tape game shows.
Thoughtless Miscreant
Active Member
Wow I was basically dead on. Wouldn't have expected them to cut Ellesmere though since it's already built. Overall I think I'm okay with this station spacing. Certainly could have been worse.
I don't believe there's a Birchmount station in the Sheppard plan (although there certainly should be) Otherwise looks good.
There are going to be a lot of station duplicates if both lines ever get built all the way out. We'll have two Keeles, two Dufferins, three Bathursts, two Bayviews, two Leslies, two Don Millses, three Victoria Parks, and three Wardens. The TTC is actually going to have to come up with some kind of naming strategy if they want people to be able to navigate the system.
sixrings
Senior Member
What would be wrong with Warden@Eglinton or Warden@Sheppard? Wouldnt that be the easiest solution?
Thoughtless Miscreant
Active Member
The TTC doesn't like double names outside of interchange stations. They considered calling the future Finch West "Keele-Finch" but said that people would be too prone to misspell or mispronounce the name.
sixrings
Senior Member
Well then its the TTC thats causing confusion.. Should they rename Don Mills to Fairview then? This would allow them to name don mills and Eglinton, DON MILLS. As for Victoria Park on sheppard maybe Johnnys hamburgers could buy the stations naming rights and build a ORANGE station that sells Johnnys Burgers from the inside Platform... Then we could call Victoria Park and Eglinton, THe STATIONS WITH THE LADY OUTSIDE ON A BILLBOARD ON A SWING.
nfitz
Superstar
Maybe that's how we deal with naming rights. We leave the Danforth station as Victoria Park, and we call the new Eglinton line station "Kentucky Fried Chicken" and the new Sheppard line station "Coffee Time" - assuming we can hit them up for a few $million each.
Thoughtless Miscreant
Active Member
Well no not really. They're trying to minimize the use of double names because they believe they would be confusing. I agree, honestly. I think giving each station a unique name (even if it's just something as simple as Street Name + Cardinal Direction) is going to make navigation much easier.
new.flyer.408
New Member
The TTC could always just copy their god system the NYCMTA, and create more ambiguity. 
What I think is that they will just copy the NYCMTA, and whenever they reference the stop they'll reference the line as well.
What I think is that they will just copy the NYCMTA, and whenever they reference the stop they'll reference the line as well.
rbt
Senior Member
It's a few million over decade and you need to give up all other advertising in the station. The full station sponsorships get about $40,000 per month at a location like Eglinton. So, $480,000 per year minus the normal $150,000 of normal advertising revenue as the deal would be exclusivity for the station. This amount of revenue is in line with the Philadelphia deal.
It's under 25 cents per passenger (system wide) per year (assumption that the average passenger takes 104 trips per year), less than one cent for every 4 trips.
A station like Dundas West would be a fraction of this. Bloor/Yonge might get $1M per year but the current advertising revenue is higher than Eglinton there are the moment.
I think the city could get significantly more money by renaming the DVP for a 10 year period provided traffic announcers and mapping systems (Google Maps) used the new official name.
This idea isn't much different than California cities like San Francisco turning off street lights after 11pm because locals won't pay the $3 per year on their taxes to keep them on. It wasn't exactly inspiring to me as a tourist to the point where I cut two weeks off my visit and spent it in Seattle instead.
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I would just call the station at Don Mills and Eglinton "Science Centre". It would definitely make it easy for tourists.
As a general rule for new stations, I would propose that if the TTC plans on building a another line that could have the same station name as one that they're currently building, that the one with the more familiar local POI gets named after that (ex: new station on the Eglinton line at Victoria Park be called "Eglinton Square" instead of "Victoria Park North/Central/Whatever"). Same goes with the Science Centre station (which coincidentally also avoids the hypenation in the name "Eglinton-Don Mills Station").
EDIT: For the station east of Eglinton Square, I would just simply name it "Golden Mile", and place it somewhere between Warden and Birchmount.
CDL.TO
Moderator
World class?
I like Bessarion and Bermondsey, they're much more interesting and less generic. I don't think we need to "race to the bottom" and eliminate anything with more than 2 syllables.
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accura407
Car is King
Although this is not a sustainable system of naming stations, unless Toronto is planning to add 100's of km of subways in the near future, these quick fixes should do it...
Eglinton Line:
Dufferin North (Since it will never be necessary on Sheppard)
Forest Hill (@ Bathurst)
Bayview South
Leslie South
Don Mills South
O'Conner or Golden Mile or Eglinton Square (@ Victoria Park)
Warden-Eglinton (I can't think of anything else here)
Birchmount
Sheppard Line:
Bathurst North
Victoria Park North
Warden North
Birchmount North
Kennedy North
Another option which costs a bit more but maintains consistency would be to add "North" to Bayview, Leslie, and Don Mills then reuse those names for the Eglinton Line. This would maintain the consistency of "North" on the Sheppard Line But its not necessary...since none of these streets extend to the B-D subway...
EDIT: @gweed Yeah...Science Centre would be perfect for Don Mills & Eginton!
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