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innsertnamehere said:
This arguement coming from someone arguing about "uninformed masses opposing transit expansion because it doesn't affect them", you honestly think people oppose it because of streetlights? no, people oppose it because rob ford said it took away car lanes (which it doesn't) and will clog up the roads (which it won't), and don't bother to look into it. I can say right now, every person I have met that it opposed to LRT has no friggen clue about the details of the plans. I often have to explain that the roads will be widened for it, and where there is no space for widening it will go underground. they often then reverse their opinions, as it actually makes sense.

The hate for the Scarborough LRT is also the ultimate proof against this. Ford claimed it blocked traffic and would be slow (surprise surprise, it wouldn't!!!) and would act exactly like an above ground subway, but nope, everyone wanted it gone because it is that god-foresaken LRT technology that must be evil be Ford said so! there were many legitimate reasons to support the subway alternative, but the "masses" didn't support the subway for those reasons. people don't have in depth levels of understanding of transit planning, and fords completely false sound bites are what they believe as truth and rally behind.
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This is the sad truth.

Which is why we need to make the ECLRT a kick-ass example of what LRT can do. Show people that LRT =/= St. Clair Streetcar. And make them think again about why they insisted on spending billions of dollars to prevent it from being extended (as grade separated!) through Scarborough Centre into Malvern.
 
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innsertnamehere said:
This arguement coming from someone arguing about "uninformed masses opposing transit expansion because it doesn't affect them", you honestly think people oppose it because of streetlights? no, people oppose it because rob ford said it took away car lanes (which it doesn't) and will clog up the roads (which it won't), and don't bother to look into it. I can say right now, every person I have met that it opposed to LRT has no friggen clue about the details of the plans. I often have to explain that the roads will be widened for it, and where there is no space for widening it will go underground. they often then reverse their opinions, as it actually makes sense.

The hate for the Scarborough LRT is also the ultimate proof against this. Ford claimed it blocked traffic and would be slow (surprise surprise, it wouldn't!!!) and even though it would act exactly like an above ground subway, everyone wanted it gone because it is that god-foresaken LRT technology that must be evil because Ford said so! there were many legitimate reasons to support the subway alternative, but the "masses" didn't support the subway for those reasons. people don't have in depth levels of understanding of transit planning, and fords completely false sound bites are what they believe as truth and rally behind.
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Facts! Facts? Who needs facts? We don't need no f***ng facts!

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Solid Snake said:
They should go to Rosedale and Davisville more often
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Plus Eglinton West, Lawrence, Yorkdale and Wilson where the tracks are all outside. How much snow does Toronto get today? Its nothing like 30-40 years ago and people still act like it is. Perhaps a few snowfalls and thats it. Nevermind the weather not being as cold as i remember when i was a kid
 
Palma said:
But under www.thecrosstown.ca/the-project/station-design - I do not see Weston listed yet the other stations up to Chaplin are shown
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The Environmental Project Addendum is an update (see link) to the original EA. It specifies that Weston and Black Creek stops are to be replaced by a Mt. Dennis station. However, it needs to be reviewed for 30 days by the public and then approved by the powers-that-be to become official. So officially, they cannot show Mt. Dennis as the new terminal until by the end of November instead of Weston, even though we already know it will be.
 
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The project twitter page posted a pic of them removing old steel beams from the old Eglinton West subway line.
 
It's now very clear where the stations are and where the stops are. I still think they should have ended the tunnel at Don Mills. It seems a more natural endpoint for the tunnelled portion.
 
innsertnamehere said:
I think everyone on this board agrees, but it isn't a disaster as is currently either.
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It will not be a disaster, but it will limit the capacity in the future, it will lead to public frustration with transit planning, it will prevent the public to accept transit funding, and it will make the arguments for the DRL more difficult to promote.
 
Hardly. it will be just fine. Ideal? no. I sure as hell hope we have a DRL funded and transit taxes secured by 2020 regardless.
 
It doesn't matter about what technology is used, it's whether they are totally off the road and have enough capacity, as well as not having too many stops close together. For the uninformed the tech issue produces a knee jerk reaction that LRT is sub-standard.
 
innsertnamehere said:
I think everyone on this board agrees, but it isn't a disaster as is currently either.
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When implemented, along with the FULL Transit City plans AND Transit City Bus Plans AND the Don Mill Relief Subway Line AND GO Transit expansions AND 905 rapid transit plans AND the Union Pearson rapid transit (evolving from a failed Union Person Express) line, it is only a stepping stone. However, each stone adds to the improvements we need for transit in the Greater Toronto Area.
 
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