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Rainforest said:
Technically, it is still possible to select the third option: above-ground, south of the road alignment between the Laird and Don Mills portal. It will cost some extra money (likely, new bridge over West Don). But other than that, all wins: higher frequency will be feasible; Leslie stop will be preserved for whoever wants it; investment in the launch shaft construction will not be wasted.

Unfortunately, I doubt that Metrolinx will reopen the issue, due to political and administrative hurdles. They will stick to the current plan, which is good in general but suboptimal in certain details.
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It may even be less expensive to build the south side alignment - because the pocket and cross-over tracks could be moved from Laird in the middle of road to the south side near Don Mills.
However, it has already been awarded so it will not be changed.
 
andrewpmk said:
The LRT is bound to get overcrowded once it opens, probably much more so west of Don Mills Road. At some point I think that the area around Leslie/Eglinton will have to be rebuilt to fix this problem. Some sort of grade separated interchange would work best.
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Unless usage is massivley larger than expected, the LRT won't be anywhere near the point of overcrowding when it opens.


But yes, I do agree that Leslie and Eglinton will need to be rebuilt eventually.
 
Johnny Au said:
Wynne won.

It means that the Eglinton Crosstown LRT will be completed and the PCs can't do anything.
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No doubt it will be built as planned. With the stupidest solution to getting from Laird to Don Mills that anyone could have imagined.
 
Well yeah, but at least there's some methodology to them. It's not like the experts stare at a maps all day and say "ehhhh I guess thing thing will move about 7,000 people. Yea that sounds about right to me"
 
TheTigerMaster said:
Well yeah, but at least there's some methodology to them. It's not like the experts stare at a maps all day and say "ehhhh I guess thing thing will move about 7,000 people. Yea that sounds about right to me"
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"I see a condo going up on Sheppard. I also see plenty of gas stations and parking lots that might become condos do one day. Maybe. So Yeah a subway could work here."
 
salsa said:
"I see a condo going up on Sheppard. I also see plenty of gas stations and parking lots that might become condos do one day. Maybe. So Yeah a subway could work here."
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There is not just one condo, but dozens and dozens going up in that area.

I think that the fact that the Sheppard subway projections in the 1990s and the Sheppard LRT projections in the 2000s were wildly different is a dead giveaway that projections are useless. Ridership will be low if nothing is built and very high if 50 storey condos are built everywhere. It is too hard to predict what it will look like 50 years from now. In general I think that having an overcrowded line is much more of a problem than wasting money on an underused one. Overused infrastructure is much more common problem than underused infrastructure. Very few of the free highways in the GTA are uncongested in rush hour, and the same is true with most parts of the TTC system.
 
Sheppard needs to be completely rezoned to be viable for a subway. They need more condos, especially the Warden to Kennedy part to met the 10000 (I prefer 15000) riders needed for the subway not to be a white elephant.
 
denfromoakvillemilton said:
Sheppard needs to be completely rezoned to be viable for a subway. They need more condos, especially the Warden to Kennedy part to met the 10000 (I prefer 15000) riders needed for the subway not to be a white elephant.
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There is this thing called the Ontario Municipal Board that does the rezoning for us, even though city council tends to be very anti development. My guess is that if we did start seriously talking about building a subway there then many condos would get built on the eastern part of Sheppard. I think any middle or high income area (Sheppard east of 404 is a middle income area, west of 404 is a high income area) will see plenty of condo development if a subway gets approved. Maybe the Agincourt Mall could get torn down and replaced with condos?

Also I do not like the practice of insisting on absurdly high thresholds for the ridership projection in order to justify a subway. This practically guarantees that any LRT lines that get built will be ridiculously overcrowded like the Spadina streetcar. If Toronto actually had adequate transit funding then Sheppard subway has big advantages in terms of fewer transfers and higher speed even if it only carries 5000-10000/hour. Never mind that building Eglinton LRT as subway between Don Mills and Black Creek only gives much higher capacity for less cost (or elevated in outer sections for somewhat higher cost), so building the world's most expensive LRT line makes absolutely no sense, there is no cost advantage to LRT like there is for Sheppard. Eglinton LRT is far more costly than Canada Line for same capacity.
 
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