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BurlOak said:
I am not sure what the most recent plans are (i.e. since the Scarborough Subway discussions were started), but with the Transit City plan (when the ECLRT and SRT/LRT were going to be built), there would be no possibility of extending Eglinton farther east of Kennedy.
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Indeed, the original plans (pg 14) had the Morningside LRT a walking transfer away on the other side of the rail line. Though, they were collinear, so presumably sanity would eventually prevail. I do remember an older plan where through-routing with the SRT and Morningside were made unnecessarily complicated/impossible, but it was fixed in this revision. Main issue with this plan is that you can't run both Eglinton/SRT through-routing as well as dedicated service on SRT, because that requires waiting on platforms on two different levels.

The current design, while not as neatly stacked, strongly preserves through-routing.
 
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If Eglinton is ever extended east, I'd probably have it go along the same route as the Scarborough Malvern LRT:

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But I doubt it will happen for a very very long time.
 
why does everything have 2 stop at the scarborough/pickering townline? do these clowns not know that people in pickering have to drive WEST to mccowan stn or stc, and if their lucky to find parking and then take the ttc down town to where they work? if they maybe made the ttc even going as far to port union that would be better than nothing, lots of land there to make a parking. it moves people out of the city faster, the ppl in suburbs also take transit not just ppl in toronno
 
oh forgot to add, yeah we got the go station but guess waht? the go station is NOT a solution, it only goes down town to union, ppl dont only work down town, they work in malvern, scarborough, north york, etobicoke, willow dale, etc... places the GO does not take them
 
its that attitude which ruins our city. if i was a stintz or councellor, i would be concerned about what EVERYONE ELSE CARES and NOT MY SELF. THIS IS THE definition of a truee good councellor.
 
Paolo said:
its that attitude which ruins our city. if i was a stintz or councellor, i would be concerned about what EVERYONE ELSE CARES and NOT MY SELF. THIS IS THE definition of a truee good councellor.
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I think you missed the point....it is hardly a good election stance when asking for votes from people who, exclusively, live in Toronto to focus on making the commuting lives of people in Pickering (who don't have a vote in toronto) better.

At election the "our city" really changes to "our cities/towns"
 
Paolo said:
why does everything have 2 stop at the scarborough/pickering townline? do these clowns not know that people in pickering have to drive WEST to mccowan stn or stc, and if their lucky to find parking and then take the ttc down town to where they work? if they maybe made the ttc even going as far to port union that would be better than nothing, lots of land there to make a parking. it moves people out of the city faster, the ppl in suburbs also take transit not just ppl in toronno
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Paolo said:
oh forgot to add, yeah we got the go station but guess waht? the go station is NOT a solution, it only goes down town to union, ppl dont only work down town, they work in malvern, scarborough, north york, etobicoke, willow dale, etc... places the GO does not take them
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So you're saying that the Pickering folks shouldn't have to drive to STC station to go downtown, but GO is not a solution because some people don't work downtown?
 
ehlow said:
The ttc is run and paid for by the city of Toronto. Pickering is not in Toronto
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This thread is on Eglinton-Crosstown. The City of Toronto's contribution to Eglinton-Crosstown costs is precisely $0. It's contribution to the Scarborough subway is higher, but only because the City decided that a funded solution - to which its contribution would also be $0 - was not good enough.

The TTC's operational costs are borne exclusively by the City (a problem in itself), but expansion costs are not.

We are not going to solve our transportation problems with parochial thinking.

As for the suggestion that Pickering is not being served, beyond GO train service and ongoing expansion (15 minute service within 10 years), Metrolinx's planned Durham BRT (not designed but presumably separated like VIVANext) will connect directly to the Scarborough subway expansion.
 
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DavidH said:
This thread is on Eglinton-Crosstown. The City of Toronto's contribution to Eglinton-Crosstown costs is precisely $0. It's contribution to the Scarborough subway is higher, but only because the City decided that a funded solution - to which its contribution would also be $0 - was not good enough.

The TTC's operational costs are borne exclusively by the City (a problem in itself), but expansion costs are not.

We are not going to solve our transportation problems with parochial thinking.

As for the suggestion that Pickering is not being served, beyond GO train service and ongoing expansion (15 minute service within 10 years), Metrolinx's planned Durham BRT (not designed but presumably separated like VIVANext) will connect directly to the Scarborough subway expansion.
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So because the Eglinton Crosstown is paid by the province, the TTC should have to serve Mississauga, York Region, Pickering, the rest of the GTA? The rest of Ontario?

As you said, the operational costs are paid 100% by Toronto taxpayers, and decisions are ultimately made by Toronto Council, who are elected by those who live in Toronto only.

Both costs and decisions are City of Toronto only. Toronto is it's own city with it's own government and transit system. Pickering or other surrounding cities have no vote or say in the TTC, don't pay for operating costs at all.
 
Speaking as a Pickering resident, we're frankly quite happy with our GO service - couple that with improvements to 15 min service and most of us will be happy as clams.

Now, I do recognize that a severe lack of transit options exists for commuters from Durham Region wishing to travel to places other than downtown Toronto via Union Station (I barely count the 92 GO bus, which crawls with the rest of traffic along Highway 2 and then Highway 401). The Durham BRT as above-mentioned will be a step in the right direction here, as it will connect Durham in a series of bus-only lanes along Highway 2 to UofT Scarborough. Long-term plans include the extension of the BRT westward to STC, which in my opinion is the real solution to linking us easterners to the TTC network, but there are a number of jurisdictional and legal issues which stand in the way of such an extension.

Even longer-term plans include the conversion of the Durham BRT into a continuous Highway 2 LRT, which would serve to improve the speed of the connection and (hopefully) help catalyze some urbanism in this most suburban of GTA municipalities.
 
TheTigerMaster said:
No offence, but I seriously doubt that most people in Toronto even know where Pickering is. People really don't care.
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Personally I do care about all areas of Toronto and the GTA, and I wish that everyone would get the best possible transit in their neighbourhoods. However it's not the TTC's responsibility to improve travel to and from Pickering. That's what Metrolinx is for.
 
Paolo said:
why does everything have 2 stop at the scarborough/pickering townline? do these clowns not know that people in pickering have to drive WEST to mccowan stn or stc, and if their lucky to find parking and then take the ttc down town to where they work? if they maybe made the ttc even going as far to port union that would be better than nothing, lots of land there to make a parking. it moves people out of the city faster, the ppl in suburbs also take transit not just ppl in toronno
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Isn't RT to Morningside/Kingston or UTSC close enough? You're practically at the Pickering border beyond that point. With the Ellesmere BRT meeting RT at UTSC, Durham would have great transit access.
 
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