nfitz
Superstar
The west extension in the City 2025 consultation was from Exhibition, west, up Roncesvalles to Dundas West station. In theory a line could run along the rail corridor from there (though it's not my favourite idea).
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facepalming_brooklynite
Active Member
Surely it would be more convenient to extend the line by staying in the same corridor
nfitz
Superstar
That's pretty much what I was saying in my more detailed post 130 minutes ago.
But if you use the 2024 city map below (for the purposes of consultation), and have the Ontario Line terminating, heading north/south, at Dundas West and Bloor. Then I don't think extending it along that corridor would then be inconvenient. More so a waste of an opportunity.
Interestingly, the May 2025 consultation map itself, lets you see enough detail, that they've deflected the line a bit to the laneway west of Dundas Street, south of Bloor. Presumably meaningless, as I doubt this would ever be built.
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Tyler Friesen
New Member
To start, I'm not entirely sure if this post is within the scope of this thread, so I can totally move it if need be. But I was reading the last few pages and I was trying to imagine what a branched/interlined Ontario Line system might look like, so I made a very very (very) rough map. Presumably you'd need to reserve 2 tracks on the Kitchener corridor to run the Ontario Line trains, so that might make this proposal dead on arrival with only 2 (?) tracks being left for GO trains, but I really have no idea what the practicality of that would be.
I should note that I've cut the Jane line back to Moss Park somewhat arbitrarily, because I figure that you don't want the most frequent portion of the system to be the joint Ontario Line/GO corridor in Leslieville with 3 services running through the stations. I also have no idea if/where any of the downtown stations will have track crossovers, though, so I'm not sure which station should be the terminus for that service. If there aren't any track crossovers, you'd probably have to rework this to either cut the Pearson line back to Union, or send the Jane line down to Union and ditch the tunnel under Roncesvalles. But this is all just rough crayoning for a very very very far-in-the-future system. Thoughts would be super appreciated!
I should note that I've cut the Jane line back to Moss Park somewhat arbitrarily, because I figure that you don't want the most frequent portion of the system to be the joint Ontario Line/GO corridor in Leslieville with 3 services running through the stations. I also have no idea if/where any of the downtown stations will have track crossovers, though, so I'm not sure which station should be the terminus for that service. If there aren't any track crossovers, you'd probably have to rework this to either cut the Pearson line back to Union, or send the Jane line down to Union and ditch the tunnel under Roncesvalles. But this is all just rough crayoning for a very very very far-in-the-future system. Thoughts would be super appreciated!
JasonParis
Moderator
I think at least having Line 3 and whatever UPX becomes as the same technology makes a ton of sense, even if the service(s) are never branched/interlined.
nfitz
Superstar
The two Ontario Line tracks at Carlaw can't be shared with GO. Is there space for 6 tracks from Pearson all the way downtown?
Blue 22 ... at this rate it will be Blue 52!
flackoteelex
New Member
To add to your rough crayoning Lines 7 and 8 could have an interchange station (possibly replacing King-Liberty) at the intersection/area of Wellington & Strachan, where the Kitchener and Lakeshore corridors meet. Here you could have Line 8 switch corridors and terminate at Union.
Big bonus of this is to serve Trinity-Bellwoods and the hugely increasing density in Liberty Village on Ordnance and the ~4 large condo developments on King right up the road.
This is one of my favourite ideas I’ve seen on here. The doubling up of Line 8 for most of its route until it goes north up Jane is genius - the desire for commuting transit in this area is evident by how busy the UPX always is, and piggybacking off existing alignments to fill in those gaps would make a huge difference in the west end
jmi22
Active Member
The tens of millions (likely in excess of a 100 mil) in development charges the city has collected from the redevelopment of Humber Bay Shores would have been more than enough to build the station years ago but the City is fiscally incompetent so instead we see the bizarre financing deal contingent on site plan approval with First Capital
leopetr
Active Member
GO Transit is fully provincial. If you're going to blame someone for fiscal incompetence for not having built a provincial station on a provincial rail line, perhaps that should be the province.
duty free
Active Member
This thread is indicative of how much transit Toronto still needs in my opinion. It comes down to three options really:
Dufferin
Jane (via Dundas West)
Humber Bay (via the Queensway)
Most suggested routes try to combine two of these options by routing or branching instead of picking just one. In an ideal world they'd be three separate lines, the OL + 2 others.
Dufferin
Jane (via Dundas West)
Humber Bay (via the Queensway)
Most suggested routes try to combine two of these options by routing or branching instead of picking just one. In an ideal world they'd be three separate lines, the OL + 2 others.
denfromoakvillemilton
Senior Member
Jane/Dundas West is the best option.
duty free
Active Member
A new Jane Line is a better option in my opinion. Same with Dufferin.
Most metro lines start in the core and expand outwards, but in the case of Jane it could be build in the opposite direction with the first phase spanning from Jane-Steeles to Jane-Eglinton or Mount Dennis. That first phase would be built mostly above ground or elevated. Expanding the Ontario Line from Exhibition GO all way to Mount Dennis or Jane would probably be built in two phases spanning a couple of decades, so Jane wouldn't even be served until a third phase of construction several decades from now.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
A Jane LRT thread has existed since 2008. See https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threads/ttc-jane-lrt-rapidto.7294/post-188773
duty free
Active Member
toaster29
Active Member
Yup. Humber Bay Shores has about 40k+ residents, with no current rapid transit options. Dundas West/Bloor has probably 15k in a 1km radius, and already has (several) rapid transit options. No question the western extension should go head west. It's also probably also the most dense area in North America without access to a rapid transit.