Undead
Senior Member
Very nice maps, wish we had all of those lines! Can you make one map with both lines included as branches?
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Adjei
Senior Member
Wasn't it shown in MTO's long term plans is for this line is to connect to Pearson through Kipling station?
fanoftoronto
Senior Member
I've only seen the rudimentary plans to extend the eastern section up to hwy 7 and across to Vaughan and south to the airport.
Care to share the place that shows the western extension plans? Very interested to see what's in store.
Bojaxs
Senior Member
Why not incorporate both your ideas and have the line branch/ split off at Sunnyside?
innsertnamehere
Superstar
It's a very blurry map which makes it hard to tell - but MTO has identified extending the OL up to Hwy 7, across, and down to YTZ then Kipling. I can't tell how it would connect from Kipling to Exhibition - there doesn't seem to be a connection drawn (the light purple dash)
innsertnamehere
Superstar
My idea for the western extension - entirely at grade or elevated, no tunnelling.
Would run to Park lawn at grade along the Lakeshore West corridor, then jump elevated along the Gardiner to the Canpa sub. Run up Canpa at grade, turn west at-grade through the former Obico yard (now owned by the TTC) to a connection with Line 2 at a new Honeydale station (1-stop extension from Kipling for Line 2), then run elevated up the 427 to a connection to Line 5 (new infill station on Line 5), then up 27 to a station at Dixie. Finally, it would run elevated west along Dixie to YTZ.
This would enable service to Humber Bay, the Queensway, the Highway 427 corridor, and the Airport area, all areas experiencing a lot of growth and new density, and it can be done without tunnelling. Running it up Dufferin would be expensive as it would have to be tunneled and would service an area of the city that is for the most part actually losing population and which has little in the way of intensification potential.
Would run to Park lawn at grade along the Lakeshore West corridor, then jump elevated along the Gardiner to the Canpa sub. Run up Canpa at grade, turn west at-grade through the former Obico yard (now owned by the TTC) to a connection with Line 2 at a new Honeydale station (1-stop extension from Kipling for Line 2), then run elevated up the 427 to a connection to Line 5 (new infill station on Line 5), then up 27 to a station at Dixie. Finally, it would run elevated west along Dixie to YTZ.
This would enable service to Humber Bay, the Queensway, the Highway 427 corridor, and the Airport area, all areas experiencing a lot of growth and new density, and it can be done without tunnelling. Running it up Dufferin would be expensive as it would have to be tunneled and would service an area of the city that is for the most part actually losing population and which has little in the way of intensification potential.
urbanclient
Active Member
Up to Hwy 7, would be nice.
I believe across and down to Pearson could be the East-West-Cross-Regional Connection according to that pdf and 2051 RTP Twitter leaks. The Ontario Line and East-West-Cross-Regional could eventually be interlined. Anything is possible at this point.
In 2022, it appears they are saying the Ontario Line would mostly interline with the Milton GO train from Exhibition to Kipling then go up the Hwy 427 corridor to Pearson.
TwoWheelPoli
Active Member
Nice! One suggestion for improvement I have would be to end the western leg at Line 1 either at Pioneer Village, Highway 407, or even VMC.
Vortex112
New Member
It’s always surprising to see transit supportive people support highway running transit. Yeah this gets you to the airport but the ridership at all those intermediate stations would be abysmal and we’d regret the cost cutting alignment. Too much focus on getting to the airport instead of serving people along the way.
TRONto
Active Member
Toronto may be an exception to this general rule because the bus service is actually pretty good. Line 2 ridership is majority delivered by bus as a good chunk of the west side of Line 1. Toronto is underbuilt on transit and personally I'd prefer what can be built fast (elevated transit).
innsertnamehere
Superstar
so much of it is bus transfers as already mentioned and also Toronto planning for better or worse has gone and shoved all it's high density along it's highway corridors. There is a lot more in walking distance along those corridors than you may think, and it's able to accomodate far more.
Dufferin St comparatively doesn't have a freeway, but it's population is mostly declining and has little in the way of major intensification potential. Catchment areas are mostly single-family homes, and at a per-mile cost roughly double to triple that of an elevated alignment as it would have to be tunneled.
The route I identified gets you to Humber Bay, the Queensway (lots of employment and rapidly growing high density population), Kipling, the 427 corridor which has tonnes of employment and high-density housing, major employment in and around the airport, and the airport itself.
Going up dufferin hits.. the Dufferin mall, no major employment areas, and a lot of mid-density residential areas with limited intensification potential.
If you want you could tweak the alignment a bit - perhaps run it elevated down the middle of the Queensway to improve walkability along there.. but along the 427 you would want it on the highway with pedestrian bridges to connect stations to the density on both sides of the highway.
dullturtle06
Active Member
I think using the hydro corridors is the better bet. Still no tunneling required and they can alway bury the wires that cant be relocated.
facepalming_brooklynite
Active Member
Have you been on Dufferin in the last decade?
Dufferin & Dupont: https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threa...park-154m-48s-almadev-hariri-pontarini.23643/
Dufferin & Bloor: https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threa...t-32-85m-8s-fitzrovia-turner-fleischer.38187/
Dufferin & King: (can't find a link, but big development on two corners)
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
Any Ontario Line 3 extension west would benefit the (Doug Ford Memorial) Convention Centre should it be located at the eastern portion of Exhibition Place. It's mostly a parking lot right now.
The original Toronto Industrial Exhibition (now Canadian National Exhibition) was located at the Dufferin Gates, the western portion of today's Exhibition Place. The eastern portion was the location of the New Fort York, used after the War of 1812.
The original Toronto Industrial Exhibition (now Canadian National Exhibition) was located at the Dufferin Gates, the western portion of today's Exhibition Place. The eastern portion was the location of the New Fort York, used after the War of 1812.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
all great- there has definitely been some stuff.. but generally north of Dupont there has been almost nothing. Dufferin from Dupont to Eglinton has been probably losing population. And north of Eglinton, you get too close to the Spadina line. There isn't a tonne of large development sites along most of Dufferin either.. it's almost entirely low-rise residential. The areas that do have soft sites (i.e. dufferin mall, liberty village) are already in proximity to rapid transit.
Even Dufferin and Bloor and Dufferin and Dupont combined are a small portion of the intensification that's already happened, and the further potential intensification, in Humber Bay, Queensway ,427, Dundas St corridor, etc.