[T3G]

Occam's razor in no way, shape, or form suggests that a coordinated conspiracy against one subway car type is more likely than shit happening. What possible motivation would the TTC have for having a hate boner for the Hawkers specifically? They're a business, they don't care about the vehicle type except in so far as concerning themselves with whether the vehicle is economical to operate, or whether it's past its lifespan or not.

I think you need to seriously revisit your understanding of Occam's razor. There's some serious holes in it. And why do you keep dredging up old discussions.

 

[drum118]

TTC resumes bus service on Queen St. E and College St. and Bay St. on March 28 ahead of schedule

March 27, 2026

Starting tomorrow, Sat. Mar. 28, at 5 a.m., the TTC will resume bus service on Queen Street East between Broadview and Davies and through the College St. and Bay St. intersection, ahead of schedule.

In February, the TTC adjusted service to accommodate the renewal of aging streetcar tracks and overhead upgrades.

Westbound 301B Queen buses, 503 Kingston Rd buses and 504 King buses will resume operating on Queen St. E., west of Broadview Ave. and 19 Bay buses and 506 Carlton replacement buses will resume operating through the College St. and Bay St. intersection.

506B/306B Carlton replacement buses continue to replace 506/306 Carlton streetcar service between McCaul St. and Parliament St., operating between Spadina Station and Broadview Ave. and Gerrard St E.

These service changes will be in effect starting Sat. Mar. 28 but won’t appear in most TTC and third-party trip-planning applications until outstanding construction and commissioning are complete, and regular service resumes.

The TTC will be testing and commissioning the newly installed streetcar tracks over the next few weeks, and streetcar service on the 501/301 Queen, 504/304 King, and 506/306 Carlton streetcars is scheduled to resume regular routing on Sun. May 3.

Full details of the service adjustments are available at https://www.ttc.ca/service-advisories.

 

[CMQSD402F9011]

Occam's razor in no way, shape, or form suggests that a coordinated conspiracy against one subway car type is more likely than shit happening. What possible motivation would the TTC have for having a hate boner for the Hawkers specifically? They're a business, they don't care about the vehicle type except in so far as concerning themselves with whether the vehicle is economical to operate, or whether it's past its lifespan or not.

I think you need to seriously revisit your understanding of Occam's razor. There's some serious holes in it. And why do you keep dredging up old discussions.

Wouldn’t the beancounters at MTA and SEPTA happened to be railfans? Just for having the R46s, R68/As and the Kawasaki streetcars and the B-IV cars?

 

[McGillicuddy]

LOL. It’s not exactly failing upward to go from Toronto to Ottawa, but wtf are they thinking?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/rick-leary-transit-ottawa-toronto-boston-9.7144348

It's possible that nobody else with the necessary qualifications wanted the job?

OC Transpo has been in an absolute state for the last decade, and by all indications the mayor and council want someone who will preside over a period of managed decline. Whoever takes the job will also be under an unusual amount of public scrutiny, as the Confederation Line continues to cast a lemon-shaped shadow over the agency. You'll be taking flack over decisions made by your predecessor's predecessor, the agency is so stretched for resources that you won't have the flexibility necessary to make many useful changes, and if you want anything which costs money, forget it.

I'm just saying: this isn't a job which says "promising mid-career transit manager on the rise". This is a job which says "Rick Leary".

 

[ShonTron]

It's possible that nobody else with the necessary qualifications wanted the job?

OC Transpo has been in an absolute state for the last decade, and by all indications the mayor and council want someone who will preside over a period of managed decline. Whoever takes the job will also be under an unusual amount of public scrutiny, as the Confederation Line continues to cast a lemon-shaped shadow over the agency. You'll be taking flack over decisions made by your predecessor's predecessor, the agency is so stretched for resources that you won't have the flexibility necessary to make many useful changes, and if you want anything which costs money, forget it.

I'm just saying: this isn't a job which says "promising mid-career transit manager on the rise". This is a job which says "Rick Leary".

He's the perfect guy for Mark Sutcliffe.

 

[81-717]

Occam's razor in no way, shape, or form suggests that a coordinated conspiracy against one subway car type is more likely than shit happening.

If it was just shit happening, you'd expect it to happen to all vehicle (namely, all subway) models equally, but it sure doesn't. It hasn't happened (yet) to any other TTC subways, and sure hasn't happened to any other North American subways (not in Montreal, Vancouver, NYC, Washington, Chicago, etc), contrary to your claim that North America barely has any historical vehicles whatsoever.

What possible motivation would the TTC have for having a hate boner for the Hawkers specifically?

Because they had objectively the most unique design features to ever exist? And because the TTC (and everything else) has a strong preference for blandness & soullessness over uniqueness & variety?

And why do you keep dredging up old discussions.

Because I often end up having more to say/add after the fact that didn't come to mind right away (plus the discussion isn't that old per se, less than a month).

 

[turbanplanner]

LOL. It’s not exactly failing upward to go from Toronto to Ottawa, but wtf are they thinking?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/rick-leary-transit-ottawa-toronto-boston-9.7144348

Why does it seem like every public agency hires the most incompetent person they can find?

Like what is better about him than literally anybody on this forum? He failed multiple times.

 

[T3G]

If it was just shit happening, you'd expect it to happen to all vehicle (namely, all subway) models equally, but it sure doesn't. It hasn't happened (yet) to any other TTC subways, and sure hasn't happened to any other North American subways (not in Montreal, Vancouver, NYC, Washington, Chicago, etc), contrary to your claim that North America barely has any historical vehicles whatsoever.

1) Why should events befall every single vehicle equally? That doesn't make any sense and goes against the very nature of chance. Transit agencies don't exist in a bubble, and the things that affect the rest of the world affect them too. Sometimes, the economy is great and that enables them to replace a vehicle on time; sometimes, a financial crisis occurs and they have to keep them going longer than planned. Different politicians in different eras place different levels of priority on transit funding. Sometimes, a vehicle is operationally reliable; sometimes, it sucks. This isn't evidence of a conspiracy, it's evidence of RANDOM CHANCE, the force that guides all occurrences in life. The pre-war PCC streetcars were built from 1938-1945, and the vast, vast majority of them were withdrawn by 1966 because of the opening of the BD subway, meaning that most of them didn't make it to age 30. Meanwhile, the last units retired in 1995 were from a series built in 1951, meaning they made it to 44 years of age. And contrast that with the CLRVs which made it to 40. Does this mean there was a conspiracy against the pre-war PCCs? Or that CHANCE intervened? Is the fact that the GM New looks were forced to last to nearly 30 years of age due to cutbacks in operational funding while the Orion VIs were pensioned off at age 8 evidence of a conspiracy against the Orion VIs? Or is it the fact that it was too god damned difficult to convert the CNG operated Orion VIs to diesel operation and they weren't very good vehicles in the first place?

2) Other subways in those cities are saved by OTHER people or transit agencies. What do they have to do with the TTC's decision not to? Are you saying all the subway operators are conspiring to make sure none of the TTC's get saved, even though that makes no sense at all?

3) The presence of a small group of cities on the continent where some historical vehicles exist doesn't disprove my "claim". It's a very big continent with lots of cities on it. Feel free to go on the CPTDB Wiki next time and look up any bus model of your choice and compare the number of transit agencies which operated a given model, and then see how many historical units of that model were actually saved. If your takeaway from reading those charts is that we have lots of historical vehicles in North America, you need to retake grade 1 level arithmetic.

Because they had objectively the most unique design features to ever exist? And because the TTC (and everything else) has a strong preference for blandness & soullessness over uniqueness & variety?

1) I don't think you understand what the word "objectively" means.

2) The TTC is a business, of course they have a preference for blandness and standardization; it saves them money. And yet, your conspiracy theory that it's associated with vehicle retirement decisions has some holes in it. You might possibly remember that the H4s and H5s made it to ages 37 and 36 respectively, which is a respectable age by any metric. Hell, if your conspiracy theory were remotely valid, then how come they didn't buy enough TRs to retire the T1s together with the Hawkers? Having one subway car type for the whole system is more standard than having two. Or what about in bus land? How come they didn't even try to buy enough Novas to pension of all the Orion VIIs in one fell swoop and make the fleet 100% Nova overnight?

TL;DR: There is no conspiracy, and frankly I'm not sure why you bother to keep reopening the discussion when you ignore any points anyone makes to the contrary. Is the purpose of joining a forum to exchange ideas (this means reading and digesting and acknowledging counter-arguments), or simply to have everyone confirm that you're right?

 

[81-717]

Why should events befall every single vehicle equally? That doesn't make any sense and goes against the very nature of chance

Sure, not ALL vehicles, but an evenly distributed sample, so roughly half of all vehicles. The Hawkers were, for the purpose of this argument, just 1 car type, nowhere near half of all car types.

Does this mean there was a conspiracy against the pre-war PCCs?

Not unless every single one of them were scrapped, and unless the post-war PCCs were, for all intents & purposes, the same vehicle type.

Is the fact that the GM New looks were forced to last to nearly 30 years of age

Forced?

while the Orion VIs were pensioned off at age 8 evidence of a conspiracy against the Orion VIs?

Yes, that's exactly what it means. The VI is also my favorite bus model because of its objectively unique design, specifically the placement of the back door, the interior layout (the ceiling), and exterior (roof). Ofc this most unique model was also the shortest blip in fleet history. At least it's survived by some non-TTC VIs like 534, which have all of the same design features except the L10G propulsion.

Other subways in those cities are saved by OTHER people or transit agencies. What do they have to do with the TTC's decision not to? Are you saying all the subway operators are conspiring to make sure none of the TTC's get saved, even though that makes no sense at all?

Yes, I'm generalizing here from "TTC" to the collective "transit world" and "HCRR" to "museum/preservation industry" as a whole. Besides, aren't you the one who framed "not giving af about history" as a North-America-wide problem?

Feel free to go on the CPTDB Wiki next time and look up any bus model of your choice

Notice how I specifically focused on subway models? No matter which NA system I looked at, I couldn't find any that would fall into that category.

I don't think you understand what the word "objectively" means.

I understand it quite well, and I stand by what I said, and don't take it back. Show me any other car type that has the exterior of an H1/4, or the interior of an H5/6 (ok, the R46 is similar to an H6, and a few 81-717s in Moscow do have yellow doors & red floors like H5s, but those similarities are superficial at best), or sounds like an H5/6 (the (C/A)LRVs do not, aside from the buzz).

which is a respectable age by any metric

Not by NYC/London/Montreal metric though, which the pro-T1 people always harp on.

Hell, if your conspiracy theory were remotely valid, then how come they didn't buy enough TRs to retire the T1s together with the Hawkers?

Because that'd be the opposite of my theory, and I would welcome it?? Why would they do that when they have a love boner for the T1s & TRs anyway.

Having one subway car type for the whole system is more standard than having two

Having 1 type for 1 line is standard enough too, even if the lines are interconnected.

Man, I wish my life was so easy I could afford to care about shit like this.

 

[Northern Light]

A friend of mine submitted a complaint to the Mayor's office about these very walls, at this very station, a few weeks back.

He forwarded me the reply he ultimately got from TTC, which defensively suggested the walls had been cleaned quite recently.

They even sent a photo to prove it (do they routinely photograph themselves doing routine work?)

View attachment 602348
Friday, August 16, 2024 – Cleaning Crew – Warden Station

My friend replied and suggested they consider alternative cleaning techniques!

I'm bringing this one back just to say I passed through warden today, w/o getting off the train, and while the trackside walls were not perfect, clearly in the intervening year and 9 months they did get back to clean again, and this time did a much better job, it was much less soiled than before.

 

[drum118]

TTC Strategic Planning Committee to hold next meeting on March 31

March 30, 2026

The TTC Strategic Planning Committee will hold its next meeting on Tue., March 31, 2026. The meeting will be a hybrid model, whereby Commissioners will have the option to attend in-person or remotely. The public also has the option to attend and make deputations in-person or depute virtually. The hybrid meeting will begin online at 9:30 a.m. and be streamed live on the Official TTC YouTube Channel.

For those attending in-person, the Committee meeting will be held in the 7th Floor Executive Board Room, 1900 Yonge St. (above Davisville Station on Line 1). The Committee will conduct the meeting using an online video conferencing platform.

Details of the hybrid model meeting are as follows:
Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2026.
Time: 9:30 a.m.
Location: 7th Floor Executive Board Room, 1900 Yonge St. The meeting will also be live-streamed on the Official TTC YouTube Channel.

On April 16, 2025, the TTC Board established a Strategic Planning Committee and appointed the following members: Alejandra Bravo (Chair), Jamaal Myers, Fenton Jagdeo, Joe Mihevc, and Dianne Saxe. Commissioners also approved the Terms of Reference for the Strategic Planning Committee.

The Strategic Planning Committee assists the TTC Board in managing strategic planning and priorities, focused on two core strategic directions of the Board-approved 2024-2028 Corporate Plan, Moving Toronto, Connecting Communities:
• Strategic Direction 2: Attract New Riders, Retain Customer Loyalty.
• Strategic Direction 3: Place Transit at the Centre of Toronto’s Future Mobility.

The Committee will be scheduled to meet at least twice annually, with one meeting held before Board consideration of the TTC’s Annual Operating and Capital Budgets.

TTC Board and Committees of the Board materials are now housed and publicly available on the City’s Toronto Meeting Management Information System (TMMIS) to improve and streamline access to documents and decisions. Meeting materials from 2024 and earlier will continue to be available at ttc.ca until further notice.

 

[DSCToronto]

TTC Strategic Planning Committee to hold next meeting on March 31

March 30, 2026

The TTC Strategic Planning Committee will hold its next meeting on Tue., March 31, 2026. The meeting will be a hybrid model, whereby Commissioners will have the option to attend in-person or remotely. The public also has the option to attend and make deputations in-person or depute virtually. The hybrid meeting will begin online at 9:30 a.m. and be streamed live on the Official TTC YouTube Channel.

For those attending in-person, the Committee meeting will be held in the 7th Floor Executive Board Room, 1900 Yonge St. (above Davisville Station on Line 1). The Committee will conduct the meeting using an online video conferencing platform.

Details of the hybrid model meeting are as follows:
Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2026.
Time: 9:30 a.m.
Location: 7th Floor Executive Board Room, 1900 Yonge St. The meeting will also be live-streamed on the Official TTC YouTube Channel.

On April 16, 2025, the TTC Board established a Strategic Planning Committee and appointed the following members: Alejandra Bravo (Chair), Jamaal Myers, Fenton Jagdeo, Joe Mihevc, and Dianne Saxe. Commissioners also approved the Terms of Reference for the Strategic Planning Committee.

The Strategic Planning Committee assists the TTC Board in managing strategic planning and priorities, focused on two core strategic directions of the Board-approved 2024-2028 Corporate Plan, Moving Toronto, Connecting Communities:
• Strategic Direction 2: Attract New Riders, Retain Customer Loyalty.
• Strategic Direction 3: Place Transit at the Centre of Toronto’s Future Mobility.

The Committee will be scheduled to meet at least twice annually, with one meeting held before Board consideration of the TTC’s Annual Operating and Capital Budgets.

TTC Board and Committees of the Board materials are now housed and publicly available on the City’s Toronto Meeting Management Information System (TMMIS) to improve and streamline access to documents and decisions. Meeting materials from 2024 and earlier will continue to be available at ttc.ca until further notice.

Here is the AGENDA. - as usual Steve Munro has comments.. https://stevemunro.ca/

 

[drum118]

The TTC is ready to get fans to FIFA World Cup 2026TM events

March 31, 2026

The beautiful game is coming to Toronto, and the TTC is ready to get fans to matches, events, and viewing parties all over the City.

Transit will be the best way to get to and from Toronto Stadium and the FIFA Fan FestivalTM Toronto at Fort York, and the TTC will be increasing service on all modes, ensuring that fans, visitors and residents can safely and efficiently move around the city during the tournament.

“We’re looking forward to welcoming visitors from all over the world to Toronto, and transit will be essential in moving people around the city,” said Mayor Olivia Chow. “City staff have been working closely with the TTC to ensure that visitors and residents have a positive experience during the tournament.”

“I am pleased that the TTC has developed a plan to efficiently and safely move hundreds of thousands of fans around our city,” said TTC Chair Jamaal Myers. “We look forward to welcoming the world to Toronto, while ensuring that residents can continue to get around the city as needed.”

“The World Cup is a major moment for Toronto, and the TTC has been planning carefully to be ready,” said TTC CEO Mandeep S. Lali. “Our focus is on providing safe, reliable and frequent service so residents and visitors can move around the city with confidence. With additional service, more staff on the ground, and real-time monitoring across the system, we’ll be ready.”

The TTC and the City of Toronto have partnered to make transit service downtown even more efficient this summer.

This includes the installation of RapidTO red transit-only lanes on Dufferin and Bathurst streets south of Bloor and the creation of a new transit hub at Fleet St. and Strachan Ave., serving the stadium and FIFA Fan FestivalTM Toronto.
Streetcars

Service on the 509 Harbourfront and 511 Bathurst routes will increase to every five minutes in most periods, between June 7 and July 24. In addition, service on the 504 King will be increased, with streetcars operating every five minutes throughout the day during this period.

On match days, the Fleet Street Transit Hub will be the dedicated streetcar platform for all pickups and drop-offs, as Exhibition Loop and road access to Exhibition grounds will be closed. As a result, the 509 Harbourfront and 511 Bathurst will terminate at the Fleet Street Transit Hub on match days only.

Buses

On match days and weekends, the 29/929 Dufferin will have additional service added.

The TTC will also be introducing dedicated World Cup shuttles on match days, operating between key locations. Customers are encouraged to use all available routes, with the shuttles providing additional support during peak periods.

Subway

On match days, the TTC will increase service on Lines 1 and 2, ensuring that everyone can connect to bus and streetcar routes that will get them to and from Toronto Stadium.

To guarantee a seamless experience for all riders, the TTC will increase signage across the system and deploy additional staff and customer service agents in key locations. Signage will also be geared towards international visitors, with FIFA-style pictograms.

Safety and clear communications will be priorities for the TTC during this time. TTC staff will be embedded in the City of Toronto’s emergency operations and communications centres. Customers can also expect to see an enhanced security presence on the TTC during the FIFA World Cup 2026TM.

To ensure minimal disruptions to service on match days, the TTC will also be increasing its preventative maintenance across the system in the weeks leading up to the games. Response personnel will also be stationed in key locations, to quickly respond to any issues that may arise.

The TTC will continue to provide more information and updates on service plans and readiness efforts at www.ttc.ca/kickoff in the coming weeks.

 

[generalcanada]

Fleet street transit hub at strachan? WTF thats like a 20 minute walk
whose bright idea is this. this is going to go soooo badly

 

[Richard White]

Fleet street transit hub at strachan? WTF thats like a 20 minute walk
whose bright idea is this. this is going to go soooo badly

It's the nearest loop to Exhibition.

It's literally the last place to turn streetcars before entering Exhibition Loop.

They need somewhere to disembark passengers who are not attending games prior to entering Exhibition Place.

Yes it's a far walk BUT that large distance helps space out the crowds.