[nfitz]

You see a large city with a large, extensively used transit system, that many residents ride to get to their jobs? Almost by definition, this is not a "15-min city" in terms of trips to work.

Getting to work has zero to do with a 15-minute village.
And little to do with transit. I'm not sure why we are discussing it here.

 

[Rainforest]

Getting to work has zero to do with a 15-minute village.
And little to do with transit. I'm not sure why we are discussing it here.

From the original post, "residents can access most of their daily needs, such as work, shopping, education, and healthcare, within a 15-minute walk or bike ride from their homes"

Not a good enough reason to discuss?

 

[urbanclient]

in fact it might be very car-dependent. [...] it can involve more car kilometres travelled than people visiting retail stores in-person (which can be done by public transit if it exists in the area).

I don't discount the need for Amazon drivers to drive a van, or Instacart shoppers to drive a vehicle, but I am not sure how you're concluding that it's highly possible for vehicle-kilometres to be higher for delivery than visiting retail in-person. Talking about both grocery delivery and packages from courier services in relatively urban areas like the GTHA.

(Setting aside the faults of Amazon-related consumerism, and the drawbacks of grocery delivery)

Vast, vast majority of cases, it's more environmentally friendly to get groceries delivered to your house. Your 1.5+ tonne car to bring home one household's worth of groceries, is much less efficient than a 4 tonne van delivering many, even dozens of grocery orders. Not just more environmentally friendly, but less expensive to the end user.

No delivery driver is going to a big box store to do bespoke orders for one customer. No Amazon driver is doing less than 100 stops per day.

Unless they bank orders from each area and then send one track / van to deliver all of them

This is exactly what they do, and were doing even prior to e-commerce taking off. Even if they don't bank orders for your definition of area....Hypothetically, a single van delivering all the Home Depot orders for a quarter of the city is still more efficient than each customer driving out to Home Depot, then doubling back to drive back home.

A delivery driver only has to leave and return to its origin (fulfilment centre) once a day. That is almost always less energy than each and every customer driving to the store and back.

 

[nfitz]

From the original post, "residents can access most of their daily needs, such as work, shopping, education, and healthcare, within a 15-minute walk or bike ride from their homes"

It's already been noted by multiple people that this was incorrect.

Not a good enough reason to discuss?

I'm not sure how walking or biking is related to Line 4.

 

[Rainforest]

It's already been noted by multiple people that this was incorrect.

I'm not sure how walking or biking is related to Line 4.

True, this is not related to Line 4 or any other transit line.

 

[Rainforest]

I don't discount the need for Amazon drivers to drive a van, or Instacart shoppers to drive a vehicle, but I am not sure how you're concluding that it's highly possible for vehicle-kilometres to be higher for delivery than visiting retail in-person. Talking about both grocery delivery and packages from courier services in relatively urban areas like the GTHA.

(Setting aside the faults of Amazon-related consumerism, and the drawbacks of grocery delivery)

Vast, vast majority of cases, it's more environmentally friendly to get groceries delivered to your house. Your 1.5+ tonne car to bring home one household's worth of groceries, is much less efficient than a 4 tonne van delivering many, even dozens of grocery orders. Not just more environmentally friendly, but less expensive to the end user.

No delivery driver is going to a big box store to do bespoke orders for one customer. No Amazon driver is doing less than 100 stops per day.

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This is exactly what they do, and were doing even prior to e-commerce taking off. Even if they don't bank orders for your definition of area....Hypothetically, a single van delivering all the Home Depot orders for a quarter of the city is still more efficient than each customer driving out to Home Depot, then doubling back to drive back home.

A delivery driver only has to leave and return to its origin (fulfilment centre) once a day. That is almost always less energy than each and every customer driving to the store and back.

It is great that they pool the orders. However, let's not forget that a sizeable portion of customers shopping for groceries or for light retail, do not drive there at all. They arrive by public transit, or walk in if they live close enough. In contrast, a home delivery is nearly always done by a car of some kind.

Thus, we have a nontrivial balance here. On one hand, customers that shop without taking a dedicated car trip at all. On the other hand, pooled home delivery that achieves efficiency by pooling. The overall balance will depend on several ratios: the proportion of shoppers who don't drive, the efficiency of delivery pooling, the percentage of the delivery vehicle's max load that is actually used, etc.

 

[PinkLucy]

Let's return to Line 4; further OT posts will be deleted