TheTigerMaster
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Deputy mayor? Can you elaborate?
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Deputy mayor? Can you elaborate?
GenerationW
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That's laughable. Without a mayor and a council seriously pushing for it, a DRL will not happen.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
The DRL is being pushed by both the PCs and Liberals on the provincial level, and by every serious mayoral candidate so far. we are in an election campaign for the city right now so expect wild promises to be made, but regardless the DRL seems imminent.
as I said, don't get excited by the prize as everyone will be promising it. (Ford included) You have to look at how they want to get there, not what the final goal is. we are also still 7 months from an election, a lot can happen between then and now, including a provincial budget that will either include funding for the DRL or send the province to an election which could also change things.
as I said, don't get excited by the prize as everyone will be promising it. (Ford included) You have to look at how they want to get there, not what the final goal is. we are also still 7 months from an election, a lot can happen between then and now, including a provincial budget that will either include funding for the DRL or send the province to an election which could also change things.
GenerationW
Senior Member
Seems imminent I'll accept. Just not buying this fantasy that it's guaranteed.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
going to cross post my post from reddit:
basically I'm going to be looking for candidates that are promising more than the DRL, as all of them will be promising that and it very well could be funded by the election anyway.
Some key items TTC related I hope to see on mayoral candidates platforms:
1. BRT-lite as Keesmaat has been describing
2. Pre-Ford cuts crowding standards
3. Increased streetcar order to deal with crowding
4. Upping the amount of Trains on the YUS line as much as possible, it isn't at its true limit yet, and won't even be close come 2018
5. Waterfront East LRT/Streetcar
basically I'm going to be looking for candidates that are promising more than the DRL, as all of them will be promising that and it very well could be funded by the election anyway.
Some key items TTC related I hope to see on mayoral candidates platforms:
1. BRT-lite as Keesmaat has been describing
2. Pre-Ford cuts crowding standards
3. Increased streetcar order to deal with crowding
4. Upping the amount of Trains on the YUS line as much as possible, it isn't at its true limit yet, and won't even be close come 2018
5. Waterfront East LRT/Streetcar
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TheTigerMaster
Superstar
Yes. That must explain why Metrolinx has committed to building a Relief Line while anti-Relief Line RoFo is in office...
Like I said before, the Relief Line is coming regardless of who wins this election. Our next mayor could be brain dead and it would still be built.
The only situation I see this not being built because of the muni election is if we have a strongly anti-RL candidate. But even then Metrolinx would probably go ahead and build it regardless of what the mayor has to say.
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Admiral Beez
Superstar
That's just silly logic based on ignorance. Rob Ford has won every election he's ever run in, does that make him your top pick?
Tory won a provincial seat in 2005 and nearly beat Miller in 2003. John Tory doesn't need the money, nor the headache. I don't see it as a thirst for power or reputation, as Ford has shown us that the role guarantees neither. Instead, I think Tory believes the city is facing a crisis and that he has a responsibility and a role to try to fix it. I see nothing wrong with that.
If I was Chow, I'd meet with Tory to get his commitment on a few of her favourite projects, and then return to Ottawa. Trudeau is going to smoke Muclair in Quebec, and she'll be needed in Ottawa to help rebuild team Orange, if she even has that in her.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
Stintz has to be pissed as this is the second time Tory has checked her, but if she can get over it she'll be a good deputy to Tory.
It will be interesting to see if Tory keeps nice and focused on the positive, or goes ugly on Ford, akin to "Torontonians, do you want a crack smoking, narcotics buying, homophobic, criminal associating, mysognistic speaking, drunk driving, wife beating, public peeing, McConnell knocking down, rendered powerless, fat f#ck as mayor? Or, do you want to get things done?"
It will be interesting to see if Tory keeps nice and focused on the positive, or goes ugly on Ford, akin to "Torontonians, do you want a crack smoking, narcotics buying, homophobic, criminal associating, mysognistic speaking, drunk driving, wife beating, public peeing, McConnell knocking down, rendered powerless, fat f#ck as mayor? Or, do you want to get things done?"
animatronic
Senior Member
Stintz is running for mayor in 2018 or 2022. Her only hope this time around is that all the big name soft-right candidates implode. Failing that she will poll 10-15% and drop out of the race in time to keep her council seat. She'll take that support and endorse another candidate in exchange for being deputy mayor, which gives her visibility for the next time around.
Silence&Motion
Senior Member
Why should Chow, or any progressive, support Tory? He's basically positioning himself to be the official representative of the Toronto Board of Trade. What is Tory going to do to help the waiting list for social housing or childcare? What's he going to do to limit the growth of the island airport? What's he going to do to help shrink the carbon footprint of the city?
Why should we lose the strongest potential candidate to unite the left in favor of someone from the crowded centre-right of the field?
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Silence&Motion
Senior Member
So now any conservative who isn't openly hostile to the LGBT community gets to call themselves a "social liberal"? What has Tory ever done in his career to further the rights of minorities? In my view, to be a social liberal you actually need to be an advocate for progressive social change. Is Tory promising to fight for safe-injection and other drug harm reduction strategies to be introduced in Toronto? Does he seem particularly concerned about gender inequality? What's his position on the legalization of marijuana or the rights of sex-workers?
As far as I can tell, Tory is a social conservative that doesn't go out of his way to rock the boat.
Filip
Senior Member
Why should he limit the growth of the island airport? Great, another election that will be fought by the left over some non-issue at the island airport... Remember Miller's boondoggle? We're building that fixed linked he so vehemently opposed...
Admiral Beez
Superstar
Well, his support for Madrasas cost him the Premier's chair last time. I'd say supporting that unpopular stance was a sign he is willing to fight for minority rights even when heavily opposed.
ShonTron
Moderator
It wasn't madrasas per se - but all religious-based schools - be it a Pentecostal school or a Jewish day school, or yes, a madrasa - provided they are approved and teach the standard Ontario curriculum (which limits how nutty these private schools can be).
It was a terrible policy, and I don't think it's all that liberal - it promotes private education at the expense of a pretty good, universal public education system here in Ontario, and was more to pander to Protestant but not so much the old-line, more liberal Christian groups such as the Anglican and United Churches) and Fundamentalist Christian and Jewish groups. It might have starved public schools once the cost of all those tax breaks were clear. The right policy would be to abolish the Catholic system - that would have been the liberal and risky thing to do.
It was a terrible policy, and I don't think it's all that liberal - it promotes private education at the expense of a pretty good, universal public education system here in Ontario, and was more to pander to Protestant but not so much the old-line, more liberal Christian groups such as the Anglican and United Churches) and Fundamentalist Christian and Jewish groups. It might have starved public schools once the cost of all those tax breaks were clear. The right policy would be to abolish the Catholic system - that would have been the liberal and risky thing to do.
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gabe
Senior Member
The 2003 results show John Tory does not speak for the downtown or large parts of midtown & North York.
