denfromoakvillemilton
Senior Member
You were right to post that. All these terms mean whatever people want them to mean. For example the old streetcars are called canadian light rail vehicles.
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drum118
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Ask Houston and other cites with these gates how many they have to be replaced by divers crashing into them. See a note monthly on a system that has a gate taken out of action by been smash.
The Tide in Norfolk had a gate taken out this past week and I saw the area in Aug that has very few house along the route and the crossings. The driver had to be speeding to do it, as it is a 30 mph zone for traffic. All the gates have flashing lights and bell.
In Richmond, there is a RR crossing where 2 roads become 1 to the point drivers were driving around me as I sat at the gate for the train to cross the road. Other cars were doing the same thing on the other road of driving around the gates and go back the way I came. Pedestrians even climb over the couplers as the train that was slowly moving or stop even with a bike. Wasn't fast enough to grab the camera to get some shots of these fools doing these things.
TOareaFan
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Interesting....has Calgary had a similar experience?
TOareaFan
Superstar
Interesting quote from the star article:
That seems to be saying that LRTs don't spur development....but highways do.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
Don't have to be in some other city. In Toronto, drivers have been known to drive on the streetcar right-of-way going to places where they don't want to be.
And not just on the streetcar tracks, even wet cement doesn't stop them.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
ehlow was right to post them. It further proves that few planners give a damn about the "proper" definition of RT.
I wish the term RT would just die. It makes no sense at all. It has no meaning.
Not a good example, den. The CLRVs were designed to be Light Rail Vehicles in every sense of the word. They could even be coupled together like the Flexlity Freedom LRVs that will be used on ECLRT. In fact, the Scarborough RT was originally supposed to be an LRT line that used CLRV rolling stock.
Note that the vehicle on the right is a CLRV.
A coupler for the CLRV
A two car CRLV train testing in Boston
ehlow
Senior Member
I mean, they're talking about employment & commercial development only, not residential. Outside of downtown, transit (subways) hasn't created as much employment development as expected in places like North York Centre & Scarborough Town Centre, mainly residential.
This has some info, but it's restricted to Toronto only.
http://www1.toronto.ca/City Of Toronto/City Planning/SIPA/Files/pdf/S/survey2013.pdf
Downtown is still by far #1 in terms of jobs in Toronto.
ehlow
Senior Member
Oh yeah one thing we we're talking about earlier is how transit can be stopped by a red light at a traffic signal.
I just want to point out that subways are also not immune to similar delays underground, but for other reasons.
How many times have you ridden the subway and it comes to a complete stop, or slows to a crawl and takes forever going northbound at Sheppard? Or, it slows to a crawl near Davisville because of the track quality.
Another common scenario is when drivers change at Bloor or Eglinton, often the subway will stop for anywhere from 20 seconds to a few minutes. I've been on a subway that stopped because a dog got on the tracks.
I'm not saying that full grade separation isn't a good thing, I'm just saying that sometimes a transit vehicle stopping for an occasional short period of time isn't always the end of the world, especially if overall the experience is fast & reliable.
I just want to point out that subways are also not immune to similar delays underground, but for other reasons.
How many times have you ridden the subway and it comes to a complete stop, or slows to a crawl and takes forever going northbound at Sheppard? Or, it slows to a crawl near Davisville because of the track quality.
Another common scenario is when drivers change at Bloor or Eglinton, often the subway will stop for anywhere from 20 seconds to a few minutes. I've been on a subway that stopped because a dog got on the tracks.
I'm not saying that full grade separation isn't a good thing, I'm just saying that sometimes a transit vehicle stopping for an occasional short period of time isn't always the end of the world, especially if overall the experience is fast & reliable.
JasonParis
Moderator
Hypothetical situation...
What are people's thoughts if a Mayor Tory announced that Sheppard East won't be continued due to hopes that the subway will eventually be extended instead. In return, the Finch LRT will be fully-built from Finch (on the Yonge line) all the way to Humber College?
What are people's thoughts if a Mayor Tory announced that Sheppard East won't be continued due to hopes that the subway will eventually be extended instead. In return, the Finch LRT will be fully-built from Finch (on the Yonge line) all the way to Humber College?
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
Most of us will be dead by time Sheppard is ready for a subway. I wouldn't delay the LRT because of it
I may support canceling SELRT in favour of extending FWLRT east to Yonge if the FWLRT between Keele and Yonge would move more people than SELRT.
I may support canceling SELRT in favour of extending FWLRT east to Yonge if the FWLRT between Keele and Yonge would move more people than SELRT.
sixrings
Senior Member
I would support cancelling the SELRT as long as both FWLRT and the Eglinton LRT was extended.
JasonParis
Moderator
That's sort of what I'm getting at. Since support for Sheppard seems more tepid, regardless of LRT's justification on that corridor, perhaps a Mayor Tory would use that situation to better extend another line (i.e. Finch West or potentially even Crosstown into Etobicoke/YYZ) instead.
sixrings
Senior Member
Not a fan of stubs and to be honest if the Danforth line makes it to sheppard then I don't know how that would change the needs of sheppard
ehlow
Senior Member
I'd be OK with that, but it does suck for those who take transit along Sheppard East, since I doubt they would ever get a subway, they would be left with nothing for decades.
You also have a less effective feeder to the Stouffville GO RER aka SmartTrack and the McCowan subway, with the bus line instead of an LRT.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
At the moment I could not support extending Eglinton.
If you read the ECLRT's Travel Demand Forecasting Report, a westward extension of the ECLRT of approximately 12 KM west to YYZ would have an AM peak hour ridership of only 2,900 at the peak point (Jane).
This compares to a maximum loading point of 5,300 persons for the 13.5 KM SELRT and 3,400 for the 11 km FWLRT.