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Rainforest said:
That's true. But the significance of this private bus project is in demonstrating that the current situation is not sustainable, and pushing the city to do something; not in its utility as a transit solution.
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While the 504 King will not be getting the new low-floor streetcars until 2017, the TTC will be keeping the old CLRV's (not the ALRV's, which will be quickly retired) around. Hopefully, the CLRV's will be used as additional revenue vehicles. Also, the TTC wants to add an additional 60 new streetcar order on top of the current 204 new streetcar order. This should help in easing the current streetcar shortage.
 
W. K. Lis said:
While the 504 King will not be getting the new low-floor streetcars until 2017, the TTC will be keeping the old CLRV's (not the ALRV's, which will be quickly retired) around. Hopefully, the CLRV's will be used as additional revenue vehicles. Also, the TTC wants to add an additional 60 new streetcar order on top of the current 204 new streetcar order. This should help in easing the current streetcar shortage.
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Streetcar shortage is felt on several other routes, but 504 King is quite frequent as of now. The problem is capacity, the cars are often very full.

New streetcars should help (they are 2 times larger than CLRV's).
 
W. K. Lis said:
While the 504 King will not be getting the new low-floor streetcars until 2017, the TTC will be keeping the old CLRV's (not the ALRV's, which will be quickly retired) around. Hopefully, the CLRV's will be used as additional revenue vehicles. Also, the TTC wants to add an additional 60 new streetcar order on top of the current 204 new streetcar order. This should help in easing the current streetcar shortage.
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The problem with the 504 isn't so much the lack of vehicles (they've added a lot of streetcars to 504 recently, taking advantage of the various construction detours that have freed up vehicles) but that the congestion is such, that it takes forever when your on one.

The new streetcars don't change that. You don't gain much from the faster boarding, given the car is stuck at the stop already for an extended period, and even if it does move forward slightly quicker, it just stops again a few metres later.
 
W. K. Lis said:
While the 504 King will not be getting the new low-floor streetcars until 2017, the TTC will be keeping the old CLRV's (not the ALRV's, which will be quickly retired) around. Hopefully, the CLRV's will be used as additional revenue vehicles. Also, the TTC wants to add an additional 60 new streetcar order on top of the current 204 new streetcar order. This should help in easing the current streetcar shortage.
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I like the ALRV, why doesn't the TTC?
 
The TTC could have gone down the route Dallas took with the 50 ALRVs:

- add a 5m low floor section between the front and rear ones
- add AC, pantograph, better air drying system (winter), current generation electronics, upgraded driving motors
- new cab with hand controls like Flexity
- Presto and any other interior mods required

Problem is that now we're talking pretty serious money and still needing two sets of parts etc. Dallas also had the advantage that Kinki Sharyo could then do the same for other users like New Jersey, whereas the CLRV/ALRV line only had a small additional customer base (29 left in Utah and not sure how long those will be kept).

Ordering 60 new Flexities might be signed off on by the province in part since it would come out of contracted options which Metrolinx would otherwise have to cancel on, incurring penalties and impacting the Great Thunder Bay Jobs Program.
 
dowlingm said:
The TTC could have gone down the route Dallas took with the 50 ALRVs:

- add a 5m low floor section between the front and rear ones
- add AC, pantograph, better air drying system (winter), current generation electronics, upgraded driving motors
- new cab with hand controls like Flexity
- Presto and any other interior mods required

Problem is that now we're talking pretty serious money and still needing two sets of parts etc. Dallas also had the advantage that Kinki Sharyo could then do the same for other users like New Jersey, whereas the CLRV/ALRV line only had a small additional customer base (29 left in Utah and not sure how long those will be kept).

Ordering 60 new Flexities might be signed off on by the province in part since it would come out of contracted options which Metrolinx would otherwise have to cancel on, incurring penalties and impacting the Great Thunder Bay Jobs Program.
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That sucks. The CLRV's are the same vehicle, for all intents and purposes. But I guess it would cost too much money like you have said. I better ride one before 2020.
 
So Olivia Chow has apparently claimed that TTC diverted money from Accessibility to the Danforth subway extension that Doug Ford and John Tory favours.

I can only assume that this has either been misreported or is a huge lie from Olivia Chow.
 
nfitz said:
So Olivia Chow has apparently claimed that TTC diverted money from Accessibility to the Danforth subway extension that Doug Ford and John Tory favours.

I can only assume that this has either been misreported or is a huge lie from Olivia Chow.
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Steve Munro‏@SwanBoatSteve
Not strictly true but TTC has $$-billions capital deficit including accessibility when city chose to levy subway tax instead.

https://twitter.com/SwanBoatSteve/status/514148393673703424
 
dowlingm said:
The TTC could have gone down the route Dallas took with the 50 ALRVs:
Problem is that now we're talking pretty serious money and still needing two sets of parts etc. Dallas also had the advantage that Kinki Sharyo could then do the same for other users like New Jersey, whereas the CLRV/ALRV line only had a small additional customer base (29 left in Utah and not sure how long those will be kept).
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Hi there, which agency is that now?
 
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