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Is there any chance in some of the wards where right wingers are running against one another that a 'progressive' candidate could eek out a win down the middle, so to speak?
 
Is there any chance in some of the wards where right wingers are running against one another that a 'progressive' candidate could eek out a win down the middle, so to speak?

One thing I've learned over the years is that when a riding or ward goes to one end of the spectrum is has a hard time going to the other. Unless something happens i.e. candidates align with Ford only to have Ford go on a racist and anti-semetic tirade people will not switch ends.
 
So, I just had a chat with Perks at the door. He introduced himself as "the progressive candidate in this riding".

Yawn.....that doesn't mean anything. What, the others are regressive?
I'm not interested in your labels, I'm interested in your ideas....and fresh blood.
Next.

He went on about getting landowners to pay more (higher taxes obviously) to help pay for more housing. If you raise property taxes, tenants end up paying for it. As I don't qualify for any sort of housing aid this would negatively impact me, as my landlord can raise my rent above-guideline in the face of an increased property tax burden and I would either have to pay it or move, paying even more at any new place I'd move to. Win-win...fuck you, working class, keep going to work....these entitlements for the wealthy and the poor aren't going to pay themselves!

So, basically, Gord meant to say that working class "middle" class suckas like me can keep paying for everyone else's entitlements and be happy we have the opportunity to do so.

I told him that my only political (or main) issue I care about is electoral reform. Then we talked about ranked balloting municipally. Still boring....I'm talking provincial and federal proportional representation.

He went on to blame a bunch of things on Tory and said he's backing Keesmaat for mayor.

Anyway, I'm voting for Jose Vera....unless he says something stupid.

Thanks for sharing. I cant figure out what reason there is to vote him in again, although it looks like the other candidates will just split the vote and he will win again.
So far this is my opinion of him.
-Wants to collect more taxes so that we can build a more progressive and inclusive city.
-doesn't get along with the mayor or other right leaning councillors, or anyone at the provincial government
-Has not built any or vary little social housing in his ward
-Housing availability and affordability has diminished immensely in his ward while he has been in office
-Opposes all development and has no desire or ability to negotiate community benefits for extra density
-His Twitter comments are mostly focused on provincial and federal matters (shouldnt he have run as provincial NDP candidate by now?)
- He advocates for lots of social causes
-He has great attendance at city hall
-Gives good speeches
-Is very procedural and know lots of the city rules and procedures.

What do people think? and is there a chance for someone to unseat him in the new ward?
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I told him that my only political (or main) issue I care about is electoral reform. Then we talked about ranked balloting municipally. Still boring....I'm talking provincial and federal proportional representation.

You are discounting a municipal candidate because he is not interested in discussing provincial and federal governance? Sounds like you have your priorities straight :(
 
So, I just had a chat with Perks at the door. He introduced himself as "the progressive candidate in this riding".

Yawn.....that doesn't mean anything. What, the others are regressive?
I'm not interested in your labels, I'm interested in your ideas....and fresh blood.
Next.

He went on about getting landowners to pay more (higher taxes obviously) to help pay for more housing. If you raise property taxes, tenants end up paying for it. As I don't qualify for any sort of housing aid this would negatively impact me, as my landlord can raise my rent above-guideline in the face of an increased property tax burden and I would either have to pay it or move, paying even more at any new place I'd move to. Win-win...fuck you, working class, keep going to work....these entitlements for the wealthy and the poor aren't going to pay themselves!

So, basically, Gord meant to say that working class "middle" class suckas like me can keep paying for everyone else's entitlements and be happy we have the opportunity to do so.

I told him that my only political (or main) issue I care about is electoral reform. Then we talked about ranked balloting municipally. Still boring....I'm talking provincial and federal proportional representation.

He went on to blame a bunch of things on Tory and said he's backing Keesmaat for mayor.

Anyway, I'm voting for Jose Vera....unless he says something stupid.
This is pretty awesome... Nice.
 
Lol at the comments below. That's some fine display of inbreeding causing genetic malfunctioning of psychological development.

Yeah, all of those Filth Moldy minions make me feel stupid after reading their comments.
 
I'm assuming Doug Ford gives Mammo, Holyday and Nunziata cushy jobs in they lose, like justice of the peace or some CEO gig for an archaic government agency.
 
My 'No Guts, No Glory' prediction is that Norm Kelly ekes out a win over Jimmy K. He was a lot closer in the Mainstreet poll than I predicted. Also, in a world of Donald Trumps and Doug Fords, never discount the power of name recognition and celebrity.
 
You are discounting a municipal candidate because he is not interested in discussing provincial and federal governance? Sounds like you have your priorities straight :(

Not at all. It was merely what my answer to him asking me what my priority issue is.

I'm discounting him because of exhibit A in my post, not something that has nothing to do with municipal jurisdiction.

I'm not a complete idiot. :p
 
Thanks for sharing. I cant figure out what reason there is to vote him in again, although it looks like the other candidates will just split the vote and he will win again.
So far this is my opinion of him.
-Wants to collect more taxes so that we can build a more progressive and inclusive city.
-doesn't get along with the mayor or other right leaning councillors, or anyone at the provincial government
-Has not built any or vary little social housing in his ward
-Housing availability and affordability has diminished immensely in his ward while he has been in office
-Opposes all development and has no desire or ability to negotiate community benefits for extra density
-His Twitter comments are mostly focused on provincial and federal matters (shouldnt he have run as provincial NDP candidate by now?)
- He advocates for lots of social causes
-He has great attendance at city hall
-Gives good speeches
-Is very procedural and know lots of the city rules and procedures.

What do people think? and is there a chance for someone to unseat him in the new ward?
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That's a pretty fair assessment, I reckon.

So, let's look at the point about the opposition to development and his inability to work with developers to induce benefits to the ward. That right there, whilst going on about raising taxes from land owners for the sole purpose of paying for "affordable" (he didn't define what this meant, but I can guess it didn't include people like me) housing which would lead to increased rents for the working class middle such as myself, is part of why I discounted him....hey, @bobbob911

I bloody well hope there is a chance for someone to unseat him. In a perfect world, all these incumbents would go for a retraining (aka career change) and be replaced with sensible people who don't have a vested interest in retaining or attaining power.

He literally told me that property taxes should be higher for the sole purpose of paying to build more "affordable" housing. That's it. Fair and inclusive city? Nah, I don't think he's necessarily about that because a fair and inclusive city, by definition, doesn't foist burdens on one socio-economic segment of the citizenry in order to better the lot of another.
Can and should landowners pay more? Sure, I'm not against that in principle. But don't pretend to me that building more shitty council estates is going to help everyone find a more affordable place to live when those same landlords who are asked to pay more will pass the cost on to their tenants. We'll end up with more council estates and less people like me. I mean, sure, maybe that's all fine and good, if that's what we want, but don't call it a fair and inclusive city.

I'm not impressed with him. Simply starting our chat with "I'm the progressive candidate in our ward."? Poor form. Meaningless piff, that is. I didn't think any of the candidates here were regressive, to begin with. Then, even if "progressive" is used in the lame way that people misappropriate its meaning and use it to stand for socialist, or neo-Marxist, or what-not, then it's still a bullshit thing to say to people because by that definition it's also not true that he's THE "progressive" candidate in the ward.

Time for him to go back to teaching at UofT, or working at Greenpeace, or whatever else.

PS: As a fellow environmentalist of sorts, I would like to present this as a prime example of how not all environmentalists can be shoe-horned into some vague pre-conceived notion of similarity.

PPS: I did wish him well and best of luck and shook his hand and all that generally polite stuff. The best of luck may have been for all of us in the case that he's re-elected though. ;)
 
Yeah, all of those Filth Moldy minions make me feel stupid after reading their comments.

Duuuude, their comments were pure rubbish in the way that they didn't make any sense and were just a strange exercise in sort-of-lame insult generation.

Wtf is a libtard? Most of the people they disparage with that term aren't even liberals, ffs.
 
The ONDP vote in York South Weston actually went down in the June 2018 compared to the last election, despite them winning the riding this time. They did better when Andrea ran as the more anti-downtown elite (ie. Wynne) in the 2014 election. It's more of a blue collar labour-left, rough around the edges (not so unlike Nunziata herself), not so much a progressive-left riding.

Or more to the point, it's a "Ford Nation" kind of "left" riding. Had Doug Ford not been leader, I suspect the NDP might have done better and the Libs reassumed second (or even first?) place. (Ditto for Humber River-Black Creek.)
 

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