animatronic
Senior Member
We should probably start a 2022 election discussion, because for Ford the next campaign started today.
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A few years back I was in Brno Czech Republic and was introduced to Urquell. I brought back a case in my luggage.
I've wondered whether a coalition of the Greens with the Libs would allow that status, or would the marriage of convenience be too offensive to someone espousing the real Love of Nature?..
I am less sanguine - in any election scenario, Greens tend to draw votes away from the traditional centre-left and not centre-right.
Rae took things far left, Harris corrected by going right, then McGuinty and Wynne progressively kept going left again.
Is was relatively easy for Frost, Robarts, Davis since they had competent, stable predecessors.
I would have them rebrand, drop the "New" from their name and go with Democratic Party.
Though remember that Elizabeth May struck "deals" with the federal Liberals--like, for them to withdraw their candidacy when May ran in Central Nova.
I wouldn't be *entirely* surprised if Schreiner opted into a Lib-Green "OPS alliance"; and to be honest, he *did* win Guelph in part as a Liberal proxy, given the seat's recent electoral history. (Also, IIRC Tory populist Bill Murdoch offered to caucus with the NDP during their brief 2003-4 7-seat interlude--but that offer was made redundant once Horwath was byelected into Queen's Park.)
On this point, we're in total agreement. This (in an abstract form, Green-Lib Alliance per-se not discussed) was being analyzed in yet another superb discussion on The Agenda:Though remember that Elizabeth May struck "deals" with the federal Liberals--like, for them to withdraw their candidacy when May ran in Central Nova.
I wouldn't be *entirely* surprised if Schreiner opted into a Lib-Green "OPS alliance"; and to be honest, he *did* win Guelph in part as a Liberal proxy, given the seat's recent electoral history. (Also, IIRC Tory populist Bill Murdoch offered to caucus with the NDP during their brief 2003-4 7-seat interlude--but that offer was made redundant once Horwath was byelected into Queen's Park.)
Just go away
Can we count you as still being amongst the majority in wishing for a 'Choice at Centre'? I don't know if the Libs can ever regain that ground, or even if ideologically, morally.
There's a massive hole at Centre...and I take a lot of the rationale for Horwath "reclaiming her party's natural ground" as getting her the vote as baseless. Any party that had staked out Centre would have won if they were the only ones.
It might be time for the Libs to dissolve as is, and I think the Cons will be facing this too in four years, and Ontario presented with a blank canvas to start again. That may be emotional on my part, history certainly shows this rout isn't as unique as some claim, and I'm still a bit shell shocked, not from the outcome alone, but from the events leading up to it. The trainwreck happened in slow motion.
On a related but interesting aside, anyone following The Agenda saw a very bright star emerge in the stunningly beautiful and bright Erin Kelly's "Polly" AI model for predicting poll outcomes.
Erin Kelly, CPA,CMA - President and CEO - Advanced Symbolics
Usually someone so effusive and attractive tends to behave subjectively (pardon my presumption) due to the easy ride on those assets, but she was incredibly objective and analytical throughout, and incredibly prescient.
She just boosted her career in multiples. But of course, she could have predicted that...
Of course. I want a centrist government just as much as anyone. With Wynne and Horwath pivoting to the far left, there really wasn't anywhere for Blue Liberals to go but towards Ford's PCs. I think as the PCs' reelection aspirations settle in they'll start to appear more centrist in their policies.
Your view, according to 'Pollie' (Of course. I want a centrist government just as much as anyone. With Wynne and Horwath pivoting to the far left, there really wasn't anywhere for Blue Liberals to go but towards Ford's PCs. I think as the PCs' reelection aspirations settle in they'll start to appear more centrist in their policies.
I want a centrist government just as much as anyone. With Wynne and Horwath pivoting to the far left, there really wasn't anywhere for Blue Liberals to go but towards Ford's PCs. I think as the PCs' reelection aspirations settle in they'll start to appear more centrist in their policies.