zang
Senior Member
Yeah, the Liberals have been consistently centre-right since the 1980s. Their policies were far more left-leaning under Trudeau's father.
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zang
Senior Member
So why bring it up at all then?
You're shovelling more BS into the engine of bigotry you're driving down the track here.
As of right now, she's a private citizen. Why does CSIS need to keep an eye on her and not keep an eye on China and their overall influence? Or is this just about keeping an eye on Asian politicians?
"Especially since she's NDP"?
Yeah, what does that have to do with *anything*?
concrete_and_light
Active Member
Why especially since she's NDP? Because she's ~~far left~~ and that means affinity with "communist" (not really communist, but for the sake of argument, fine) China?
It seems like the CPC has been targeting Liberals more and potentially Conservatives as well. Their strategy if anything seems to be to inflame division between those groups. I'm not sure the NDP is really a focus of theirs from what we've seen, let alone especially so.
If anything I have more faith that Chow would not be influenced than other candidates whether knowingly or unintentionally. For one because I think she has strong principles but also if anything her being born in Hong Kong and having connections there would I think more likely make her anti-CPC than pro and give her a stronger understanding of the CPC's unethical anti-democratic tactics.
And she knows that people will attack her for this kind of stuff and might be more on guard for it vs. other candidates.
Chow is not a "far left" tankie liable to have affinity for the CPC by any means, and I think she has strong personal integrity whatever you think of her politics and ideas.
Of course I'm making assumptions here too. We should probably stop making all these assumptions in this thread in general and some of the assumptions made are really unfounded. There's no reason to be assuming these things and fear mongering about Chow vs. other candidates.
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AlvinofDiaspar
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Though to be honest I wouldn't say she is completely immune either (it's more an issue of the individuals and groups that may contact her - just like they would with any other elected mayor). But by nature her involvement is with municipal politics - the influence wielded there is less critical than either provincial or federal.
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adma
Superstar
But also re Overton window-shifting--well, if we have the Liberals as "centre" and NDP "far left", then shouldn't the Conservatives be correspondingly "far right"? Leaving aside the hair-splitting semantics, I'm just addressing relative positioning here. Of course, those responsible for the window-shifting would rather that Conservative be "centre" and Liberal be "moderate left" so as to fulfil the "NDP = far left" framework.
And speaking of "far"-anything and fringiness: let's not forget this statement on Fresco's part...
2023 Toronto Mayoral by-election
I'm sure her team is trying to get John Tory to endorse her. That would be a smart move. Tory seems to be trying to stay out of the campaign, but outside forces are trying to force his hand with polls, lobbying and a gold ole fashioned NDP scare. Unfortunately he has ties to Bradford, Hunter...
Advocates for *that* are a fungus on all political forums.
Rainforest
Senior Member
Yes, something might be in play here.
In the absence of the second/run-off round, opinion polls function as an informal preliminary round. People who dislike candidate X and want X defeated, are likely to abandon their preferred candidate Y if Y is doing poorly in the polls, and switch to candidate Z if Z is doing well in the polls and they believe Z is better than X.
If all polls are honest, then their reports simply reflect the voter preferences.
However, there will be a temptation to twist a report in order to shape those preferences. Unlikely to defeat X if X is a clear front-runner, but very capable of propping Z over Y and helping Z into the second place.
Islington Express Bus
Active Member
If our government is monitoring/investigating a private citizen because she
1. used to be a politician 8 years ago
2. holds normal, common left-wing views
3. was born near China
then that is a gross misuse of resources and probably racist too.
Of course, they probably aren't doing this and that poster just pulled it out of their ass.
1. used to be a politician 8 years ago
2. holds normal, common left-wing views
3. was born near China
then that is a gross misuse of resources and probably racist too.
Of course, they probably aren't doing this and that poster just pulled it out of their ass.
Fresco
Active Member
But also re Overton window-shifting--well, if we have the Liberals as "centre" and NDP "far left", then shouldn't the Conservatives be correspondingly "far right"? Leaving aside the hair-splitting semantics, I'm just addressing relative positioning here. Of course, those responsible for the window-shifting would rather that Conservative be "centre" and Liberal be "moderate left" so as to fulfil the "NDP = far left" framework.
And speaking of "far"-anything and fringiness: let's not forget this statement on Fresco's part...
2023 Toronto Mayoral by-election
I'm sure her team is trying to get John Tory to endorse her. That would be a smart move. Tory seems to be trying to stay out of the campaign, but outside forces are trying to force his hand with polls, lobbying and a gold ole fashioned NDP scare. Unfortunately he has ties to Bradford, Hunter...urbantoronto.ca
Advocates for *that* are a fungus on all political forums.
Please post a direct link to where I stated this.
I'll help you out. I never made this post.
You are completely pulling this one out of your rear-end.
I made a screenshot of it so you cant delete your idiotic claim
adma
Superstar
Ah, but it's because the "display post" is different from the post I linked to (for whatever reason--must be a glitch in the system). And besides, that post is benign.
Please post a direct link to where I stated this.
I'll help you out. I never made this post.
You are completely pulling this one out of your rear-end.
I made a screenshot of it so you cant delete your idiotic claim
However, if you click onto that display post, (and maybe I was overexpecting others to do so), you'll find the *real* post I was referring to: to presently cut-and-paste *that*...
Uh...really? Other than maybe Neil Reynolds in the 1982 Leeds-Grenville byelection, the Libertarians have *always* been electorally fringe, nationally, provincially. And as per my Neil Reynolds point, their chance was 4 decades ago. They're a relic of the Anchorman 2 or Knoxville World's Fair era. At this point, Libertarians are the political equivalent of a Herb Tarlek or Shadoe Stevens vulgarian.
Of course, Libertarianism *did* wind up surviving by way of electronic social media from the Usenet era onward--but in a way that highlighted their inherent forum-hijacking and forum-killing unpleasantness.
And for you to be blowing the horn for a "Libertarian party that can compete with out big 3 parties" suggests that you've been doing something like that foot-in-the-door pitch in all manner of political forums for, let's say, some time now.
As I said...fungus.
Fresco
Active Member
I have been doing something like foot-in-the-door pitch in all manner of political forums??
What the hell does this even mean??
And who (or what) is a fungus??
Fresco
Active Member
Our government watches all politicians, but after Chinese election interference it only makes sense they will watch politicians of Chinese descent a bit more.
They were (or still are) monitoring Han Dong: https://globalnews.ca/news/9504291/...2019-election-candidate-chinese-interference/
Also the Chinese government employs blackmail, bribery and sexual seduction, with the country even enlisting the Bank of China in its foreign-influence activities so they can target corporate executives, academics and vulnerable Chinese Canadians:
Are you saying CSIS is racist for monitoring Chinese-Canadians??
adma
Superstar
You, Libertrollian.I have been doing something like foot-in-the-door pitch in all manner of political forums??
What the hell does this even mean??
And who (or what) is a fungus??
Fresco
Active Member
Insulting people is against forum rules.
Can you guys not have a political debate without getting angry and throwing insults around??
Richard White
Senior Member
Insulting people is against forum rules.
Can you guys not have a political debate without getting angry and throwing insults around??
Seriously people?!?
DSC
Superstar
Pots and kettles?Insulting people is against forum rules.
Can you guys not have a political debate without getting angry and throwing insults around??