guavadelic
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That would address the Milton line. Wouldn't a freight bypass still be needed for the Kitchener line to enable full two-way service?
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That would address the Milton line. Wouldn't a freight bypass still be needed for the Kitchener line to enable full two-way service?
urbancog
Active Member
In November 2019, Metrolinx issues an Initial Business Case Update that claimed 2-way all-day service between Toronto and Kitchener was possible by improving cooperation with CN over use of their Halton Subdivision (Bramalea - Georgetown) at about half the cost of a freight bypass and with lower deliverability risk. Service on the line has been increased (a train every 3-hours to Kitchener) but we're yet to see the investments that would enable hourly all-day 2-way service.
Recently CN reported that they will be awarding design work for enhancements between Bramalea and Georgetown but we don't know the scope of this. Limited work on the Georgetown to Kitchener (Guelph Subdivision) is about will finish soon but Metrolinx seems to be saying this will only improve reliability of the existing services. The contractor qualification process for "Packages 2 & 4" of improvements has also started but work will likely only start in 2025.
So yes a bypass may have been a better solution for Kitchener and Milton but we'll never know because Doug didn't want to pay for it.
Recently CN reported that they will be awarding design work for enhancements between Bramalea and Georgetown but we don't know the scope of this. Limited work on the Georgetown to Kitchener (Guelph Subdivision) is about will finish soon but Metrolinx seems to be saying this will only improve reliability of the existing services. The contractor qualification process for "Packages 2 & 4" of improvements has also started but work will likely only start in 2025.
So yes a bypass may have been a better solution for Kitchener and Milton but we'll never know because Doug didn't want to pay for it.
Allandale25
Senior Member
Where did you see that CN reported this?
Bojaxs
Active Member
Has CPKC given permission to go ahead with this? An announcement from Doug Ford means nothing. Was a representative from CPKC present when this announcement was made?
drum118
Superstar
May come out at budget time as no one wants to tip the hand until then.
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Having three tracks in the corridor will not cut it as it needs to be four period with a fifth if possible. I have seen nothing but four tracks in all RR corridors where CP/CN train run since 2002.
Allandale25
Senior Member
jys
Active Member
It's exciting when politicians show interest in transit, especially on the service side. But I don't know if I like it when they start meddling in the route planning. Ms. Damerla is certainly trying hard to appeal to students. She went as far as to promise to make the U-pass part of the OneFare program (somehow). With such promises, I don't know how seriously to take her.
SaugeenJunction
Senior Member
Alvin Tedjo’s transit plan is out now. Webpage here and detailed document here.
Lots of additional things in the detailed document not in the plan like studying connecting the Milton GO Line to Mississauga City Centre, Orangeville Brampton Railway GO service, and more.
Quite ambitious and for sure a long-term play. Mississauga needs the vision however.
Lots of additional things in the detailed document not in the plan like studying connecting the Milton GO Line to Mississauga City Centre, Orangeville Brampton Railway GO service, and more.
Quite ambitious and for sure a long-term play. Mississauga needs the vision however.
Bojaxs
Active Member
I always envisioned a BRT on Erin Mills and Dixie.
Lakeshore will be tough. Lack of space for bus lanes in Clarkson and Port Credit.
afransen
Senior Member
It feels rather moot. The mayor of Mississauga is not empowered to realize such a plan. At most, they could advocate to Metrolinx/Province to include in the RTP. This is like the student council president promising to make the cafeteria lunches taste better.
Rather unserious when it comes to details on costing, and how to fund the construction (and operation!) of such a plan.
Not criticizing the ideas, just saying this seems like a crayoning exercise.
Bojaxs
Active Member
Didn't the federal government already approve funding for a BRT along Dundas? Why are we talking about a LRT now?
afransen
Senior Member
I think changing the Dundas BRT to LRT is the dodgiest suggestion. If Milton Line is upgraded to allow all-day service, the BRT is not all that useful for getting to Kipling station. So the BRT is more for movement directly on the corridor, not about shuttling people to Kipling.
drum118
Superstar
The 26A is a dead horse as an 106 from CCTT to UTM is coming in Sept with beef up service for 41 and 110
The BRT ideas make sense as proposed, but Lakeshore one will have to be tunnel under Port Credit due to lack of road width. Even an LRT would see the same thing.
The idea of an LRT to Kipling was proposed as part of the Hurontario Line, but was kill off by Hydro One and is still opposed by them for any connection to Kipling since it is their land, not TTC. It makes sense to have an LRT there, but goes against ML plan for an BRT on Dundas from Kipling to Hamilton.
The BRT ideas make sense as proposed, but Lakeshore one will have to be tunnel under Port Credit due to lack of road width. Even an LRT would see the same thing.
The idea of an LRT to Kipling was proposed as part of the Hurontario Line, but was kill off by Hydro One and is still opposed by them for any connection to Kipling since it is their land, not TTC. It makes sense to have an LRT there, but goes against ML plan for an BRT on Dundas from Kipling to Hamilton.
ShonTron
Moderator
Though David Miller's Transit City and RoDoFo's "subways, subways, subways" made their mark. Even Patrick Brown got an underground LRT through Brampton.
If I lived in Mississauga, I'd happily vote for Alvin Tedjo. There's things I'd pick apart from his platform, yes, but he's the only one with a positive vision. Parrish is the Bailao of the Mississauga by-election, where Dipkia is the Saunders/Furey.
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drum118
Superstar
You are serving two different markets and they have both different needs. Right now, the LRT will work going to Toronto, but where do you put a bus terminal for buses going west?? Unless the LRT is underground on Dundas at Aukland Station if you cannot get away with a surface one that Hydro One will not object to, where do you put the station with short walking transfer?? An option is to use the platform that was built for the RT that never got built, but it is only a single track.
Those coming from Toronto and going to UTM will have to change twice to get there. Bulk of the ridership falls at Hurontario and continue to fall going west and more so after Erin Mills to say an BRT or LRT is not needed for some decades.
These days, transit planning sucks as it is done by political people who don't use transit and listen to the minority, not the majority as well get reelected. Planning and scheduling in Mississauga has been the pits close to 2 decades.